What are the top badass countries of WW2?

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The United States.

Except the US didn't invade Vietnam. They were just defending the South from the North's invasion.

20 downvotes haha. I guess the world opinion is that the Vietnam War was an imperialist struggle.

The truth is that the United States was defending its ally (South Vietnam) from North Vietnam. The United States had a right and duty to send troops to defend the south. North Vietnam, on the other hand, actually had no moral or political right to claim the south as theirs. Yet they invaded the south repeatedly during the war and dishonored the Paris Peace Accords by breaking all treaties and invading the south as soon as the United States left. Conversely, South Vietnam, even backed by American troops, never attempted to invade the north.
 
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I think it might be safer if we keep the Vietnam war out of this. In the timeframe, (at least) the North Vietnamese did declare independence after Japan's surrender which was reasonably ballsy (and ended up working out quite well for them, although not without quite the struggle).

I back everyone's mention of Finland in this thread. Can't believe I didn't think of them - tough as you like.
 
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I might be biased, but I do feel that while some might argue that the British Commonwealth might not deserve top place, they certainly deserve an honourable mention for their determination, imagination and tenacity.

- They were involved in the war from 1939.
- They led the Allies from 1940 up until the end of 1943, surviving it's most dire moments and sheltered the free forces of the exiled nations of Europe.
- Their intelligence network was second to none.
- They created just about all the Allies' special forces.
- They pretty much controlled the Atlantic and the Mediterranean, whilst holding a presence in the Pacific.
- Britain was, at one point, the last Allied country left in Europe and stood its ground, despite being levelled by the Luftwaffe.
- Their technological advancements and experimental machines (RADAR, Hobart's Funnies, Wallis' bombs, etc).
- Were involved in almost every combat theatre of WW2, from the South Pacific to the Arctic Ocean - the only exception really being the Russian land front.

Above all, one has to at least applaud the nerve of the British and the Commonwealth in carrying out some of the most daring and imaginative operations that ever succeeded, such as Operation Mincemeat and Operation Chariot.

All that being said, I suppose it is fair to crown Finland with the actual title.
 
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Awesome SWEDISH band, I do like "Soldier of Three Armies" - Lauri Törni/Larry Thorne.

Finland is #1 on the badass list
 
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People are making a classic mistake. A nation doesn't need to be near the conflict to be utterly badass. There were a people whose name were synonymous with "badass". The Gurkha. The proper badass list is:

1) Nepal, homeland to the Gurkha
2) The British Raj, the place that had the most ability to have Gurkha badassery rub off on them
3) Britain, they created the commandos, the closest imitation of a Gurkha anyone created at the time
4) Italy, they created the frogmen, an interesting and highly successful attempt to imitate the Gurkha in an aquatic environment
 
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Finland and Norway, among others. Im Norwegian so partial, but we never gave up. Britain never gave in when alone either, and took the fight anywhere it needed to be more or less. Other than that I feel that the Soviets obviously showed courage, but that was more the people, they often had it forced out of them with a gun pointing behind them as well.

In whole there was so much courage and bravery showed in the entire war across the board that it is very difficult to say; equal parts cowardice and cruelty too of course.

Oh and shut up about Vietnam before this thread goes to hell
 
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I agree with SabintheFalcon. My vote has to be Britain. Yes, the occupied countries went through hell, as did Russia who fought an appalling war of attrition in the east. But the question is "who were the biggest badass" and to that question, I would say Britain. Why? Because they were the underdogs, should not really have had a chance, yet never fell.

No really.

Yes, sure, they had an empire/Commonwealth and all that, and a strong navy, but what is too often overlooked is that comparatively little of the manpower from those territories could actually be used, either because they were employed for local garrisons or/and peacekeeping, or because actual control of many Commonwealth armed forces lay with the Dominions. The likes of South Africa, Australia, Canada or New Zealand might loan an expeditionary force of a division or three (never very much), but could call them back at any time (so could not be depended upon for long - hard fighters though they were) and quite naturally the Dominions kept most of their strength for their own home defence. Britain's own native manpower was never numerous and actual military strength on the ground was therefore rather small. Furthermore, much of the resources from the empire were heavily disrupted by subs and raiders or lost altogether to occupation. For it's part the Royal Navy, although powerful as a whole, was spread thin across the world, vastly overcommitted, so that local strength was actually rarely much greater - and sometimes far weaker - than it's local adversaries.

So, despite appearances on paper, the British government in wartime did not have access to a wealth of resources, could not reliably turn to the empire for much manpower - and as was sadly proved, even the Royal Navy was not the reliable strength it appeared. And their own resources and ground forces were small. At the start of the war Britain had just six to eight divisions - and only two of these were Regulars. Obviously this situation was improved, but even at maximum Britain could only raise about 34 divisions in all, not all of them operational at the same time and with rarely more than 12 in any one theatre. The British army was SMALL.

With those facts in mind, Britain really shouldn't have had a chance.

And yet Britain, even after all of Europe had fallen to Fascism - never gave up. Churchill said he would never surrender, that he would continue fighting at any cost. And he meant it. Britain literally gave it's all to keep the war going, to continue the war to victory. Britain started the war as a superpower. It ended the war a bankrupt exhausted ruin and a political has-been, broken by the war, no longer important on the world stage as the two new superpowers, made by the war,duked it out. The admirable thing in all that is that in the Battle of Britain in 1940 the RAF fought off the Luftwaffe, thereby saving Britain from any real threat of German invasion. From that point on, Britain itself was safe. They didn't really need to fight on against Germany. Hitler had never really wanted to fight Britain, and so long as the USSR did not fall there was little chance of Hitler trying to invade again - and perhaps not even then. In 1940 or 41, Britain could have made a ceasefire with Germany and that would have been that. But they didn't. As SabintheFalcon touched on, Britain, despite poor available resources and a vastly inferior military strength, fought on; ever weaker, ever more desperate for resources, ever more outnumbered, but persevering, risking it all, to allow the Allies -and in particular the Americans - the time to build up strength, using Britain as a convenient base, and win.

It was indeed our finest hour. And we British have never been greater.
 
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- Germany for terrifying the living shite out of everyone for three years and savagely defending a hopeless cause almost to the very end
- Japan for pluck and determination in defence of another hopeless cause, far away
- USSR for taking a staggering amount of damage without breaking, then managing to win in no uncertain terms
- Finland for resisting the above
 
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You guys are mad. Bhutan is the most badass country of WWII, and of today.
 
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Germany for doing so well when the odds were stacked so much against them.

Finland for managing to keep their full independence from the USSR and give only moderate concessions from the war (and continued to fight in the Continuation War).

China for taking so much and slowing down the much more industrialized and advanced Japanese Empire.

I'd also say Greece for their defense against the Italians, but the Germans made rather short work of them, so I'm not sure.
 
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You're forgetting another badass country that nobody even DARED to mess with: Switzerland. While the major powers and huge armies ravaged the countryside around it, Switzerland said "Neutral, or ELSE", and nobody even seriously entertained the notion of crossing over that line.
 
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Wow. 1/5 at best.


Most badass country HAS to be the United Kingdom. There was no finer hour, perhaps in all of history. The British could easily have kept their empire in a negotiated peace with the Germans, but chose to sacrifice their future for the sake of mankind. They did a thankless job (as this thread clearly attests to), but in my mind, they were the greatest heroes.


Please, get your heads out of the "heroics" of Michael Wittmann, K/D ratios, Enemy at the Gates penal battalions, and kamikazes. Thank God we won the war.

I don't understand why you would call a country ''badass'' even thought it:

1) Owned half the globe.
2) Hold the most valuable resources by far.
3) Could outproduce Germany for most of the time.

Also the UK took terrible decisions during the course of the war.
Opening moves of the war 1939-1940/The raid in Dieppe/ Severely underestimated the Japanese/ Failure to predict the threat of U-Boats.

''We won the war''? Seriously? That sounds so bluntly ignorant towards the rest of the countries that fought the war.

The UK did have the biggest role in ww2 for the allies but you cant praise them as if they were gods or ''badasses'' due to them winning against a weaker opponent.
 
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Germany ftw.

Invading three years and conquering most of Europe still weakened due the Versailles Treaty from 1919. Not even France with properbly the best tanks in early war could stop the Wehrmacht. They invented the Blitzkrieg and modern combined arms, wich still success over the world in conventional conflicts. They attacked the most powerful country the world had seen in the east and hold their stance for mostly three years and after all they had a mess on their hands but they raised again and are still one of the leading countries in culture and economy in the world.:)
 
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I don't understand why you would call a country ''badass'' even thought it:

1) Owned half the globe.
2) Hold the most valuable resources by far.
3) Could outproduce Germany for most of the time.

Also the UK took terrible decisions during the course of the war.
Opening moves of the war 1939-1940/The raid in Dieppe/ Severely underestimated the Japanese/ Failure to predict the threat of U-Boats.

''We won the war''? Seriously? That sounds so bluntly ignorant towards the rest of the countries that fought the war.

The UK did have the biggest role in ww2 for the allies but you cant praise them as if they were gods or ''badasses'' due to them winning against a weaker opponent.


The land war failures in 1940 can hardly be attributed to the British. There were 13 divisions in France, under French overall control (who had 104 divisions in northern France). The Dieppe raid is debateable, it was a total shambles but it did teach lessons, and there are rumours that it was a diversion for something else (no concrete proof how true that is). Everyone underestimated (and then overestimated) the Japanese prior to their rapid conquests, British doctrine for defending the Far East was always going to be trading land for time. Again, all sides underestimated the U-boat threat.

1. The British Empire was never that big. At it's largest it covered approximately 1/5 of the globe and about 1/4 of the population.
2. The Empire provided a lot of resources, but even without the huge losses due to commerce raiding they were not that numerous and the most valuable were in parts that were extermely vunerable to attack. The major advantage over the Axis powers was in Oil production, and that was dwarfed by the US output.
3. Britain only exceeded Germany in a few areas of production, mostly because US lend lease meant they could focus on specific areas.
 
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I wouldn't list them in the top 5, but an honorable mention to the Belgians. The German invasion of Belgium in '40 saw the Belgians putting up a strong fight despite their lack of numbers. The story of the Chasseurs Ardennais fighting so hard with so few men that the Germans, after capturing them, interrogated the Belgians asking where the rest of the army was is particularly entertaining.
 
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I don't understand why you would call a country ''badass'' even thought it:

1) Owned half the globe.
2) Hold the most valuable resources by far.
3) Could outproduce Germany for most of the time.

Also the UK took terrible decisions during the course of the war.
Opening moves of the war 1939-1940/The raid in Dieppe/ Severely underestimated the Japanese/ Failure to predict the threat of U-Boats.

''We won the war''? Seriously? That sounds so bluntly ignorant towards the rest of the countries that fought the war.

The UK did have the biggest role in ww2 for the allies but you cant praise them as if they were gods or ''badasses'' due to them winning against a weaker opponent.

One does not have to win to be a badass. Holding out against a vastly superior foe surely also counts?

And in any case, the UK was NOT more powerful than Germany. it was quite the opposite.

The empire was not the asset some think it was. Little manpower could be drawn from it - much of what was given was small in scale and usually had to be given back after a relatively short time. Resources were also not as useful as some might think as they were either occupied or else severly disrupted and lost to U-boats. Throughout the war Britain suffered from both a manpower shortage and a resource shortage.

And while it had a fair industry it was already in decline, wasn't as mighty as it had been, and due to the resource problem struggled at times to produce at a strong enough rate - especially in 1940 after Dunkirk and during the Battle of Britain. So Industrial might? Not so much. Certainly not in the early years anyway.

In a similar vein, Britain's army at it's strongest was never greater than about 30 - 40 combat divisions (it raised about 38 or so in the war, but they weren't all operational at the same time) and for much of the war the army was even weaker. The British could rarely field more than 12 divisions in any one theatre, usually less. These forces were NOTHING compared to Germany, yet Britain held out - and even managed to win the African campaign. America did not join the war unto December '41, did not start despatching units to Britain and Africa in strength until mid -late1942. By that time Britain had been standing already, with Axis Europe just twenty miles away, for nearly 3 years.

The Allies collectively were stronger of course, but we are talking about which COUNTRY was badass, not which FACTION. One should take note of the context and the situation (the REAL situation, not the situation as it looks on paper) - if you do that, you might see that the UK did incredibly well holding out against overwhelming odds for several years - long before the later overwhelming might of the allies ever came into play.

And yeah, the UK made mistakes in the war. But then who didn't? I cannot think of any side that didn't screw up with it's operations at one time or another. And in cases like Dieppe - which, sure was a disaster - the UK learnt from that, learnt well, and practiced those lessons on D-Day.

All in all, while stating "we won the war" might be overstating things slightly, saying "we held on against overwhelming odds, exhausted and bankrupted ourselves, but never ever gave up no matter how bad it got, so that the war COULD be won at all" is not.

I don't know about you, but I call that Badass.
 
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