What are the Cardinals smoking?
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Then you might be surprised by how relatively often it happened in real life. The Pope who is featured as the villain in Assassin's Creed was something like a 21 year-old with one or more illegitimate children and not by any means a virtuous, religious, or traditional person.
What is the point in talking about Assassin's Creed 2 when talking about real life? Assassins creed is one of the most historically inaccurate games in the history of the universe.
General Religion DLC, doesn't need to be just catholics, especially with the Coptic and monophysites now having their Popes. That way we don't need a million different Christianity only themed DLC's
This'll probably be addressed with a patch which comes out with the Holy Imperial DLC; the HRE needs a lot of love to represent the Electors and the investiture conflict which ran deeper than just the Free Investiture.
It's odd that arguably the two most institutions in Middle Ages Europe; the Papacy and HRE are so poorly implemented at the moment. I really hope they get some love via DLC. I'm not one to complain about DLC but why a boring money-accumulator addition about republics when these gaping holes in the core game exist?
That being said, CK2 is still in my top 5 games list.
That being said, CK2 is still in my top 5 games list.
This is not accurate. Not even in the context of the inaccurate Assassin's creed.
He would not talk about AC2 If he had remembered that pope name. Almost every thing about Rodrigo Borgia aka Alexander VI is true in Assassin's Creed 2 and Assassin's Creed Brotherhood.
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There were a number of Popes who were...less than virtuous. Take Benedict the IX, who became Pope at 18-20 in 1032 (within the period the game is set), held homosexual orgies in the Lateran palace, was driven out by the people of Rome because they hated him so much, and actually sold the Papacy. (Before reneging on the deal and trying to take it back.) History remembers him as "a demon from hell, in the disguise of a priest" and "a disgrace to the Chair of Peter".
That said, this was the exception rather than the rule, and tended to be confined to certain periods, when outside forces influenced the Papacy heavily. I think it makes sense to have a young, sinful Pope now and again, especially if Catholicism already has a low moral authority.
We kinda need an entire papal reworking
-proper elections
-ability for Latins to mend the schism and/or appoint Latin Patriarchs
-understand some popes being young, but all? I mean seriously....
-yes and please make theocracies playable, they where virtually controlled by a few select families anyways.
-proper elections
-ability for Latins to mend the schism and/or appoint Latin Patriarchs
-understand some popes being young, but all? I mean seriously....
-yes and please make theocracies playable, they where virtually controlled by a few select families anyways.
Im vaguely hoping itll be possible and easy to mod republic DLC succession to the papacy. It wouldnt be perfect, but the three-four houses switching places would work pretty well as a stop-gap atleast until a proper, dedicated papal succession comes along.
The inaccuracy he was talking about comes from the fact that ZechsMerquise73 said Rodrigo Borgia was "something like a 21 year-old". This is both in real life and in the game wrong. The young one was his son, Cesare Borgia. Rodrigo was 60+.
Inacurracies aside, I especially liked AC2:Brotherhood. Cesare was just an awesome villain.
The historical context given was far more accurate than in let's say Age of Empires II. Many people still think Alfonso of Leon was the bad guy because of that game. In reality Sancho first took over his brother's lands and then was killed by some noblemen, possibly under the orders of his sister Urraca.
CK1 had a means of picking exisitng characters as Popes, that would do as a Stop gap until the Cardinal
Theyre not already implimenting that though, they are implementing a new elective mechanic for republics, so if that can be modded across, which hopefully it can be, then it'll do until Paradox do a mechanic for it specifically, whether it be like CK1s one [which was basically just how investiture bishoprics work in CK2 but modding that to St-Peter doesnt work] or not.
As to the off-topic discussion, theres really no point in discussing Alexander VI as the whole point is that its a unique case, thats why its had dozens of television shows and movies about him and none of the other alexanders have got to so much as one. Its a mad story about rules being broken and crazy things happening so it bears no relevancy at all when it comes to discussing how game mechanics should work as they have to be based on the things that were typical, the rule not the unique exception at a lower point in a time of crisis in another era of history. It'd be like building the ERE or HRE mechanics around Caligula.
The point is, if it will accept republic succession being modded on to it, thatd do until Paradox comes up with a proper mechanic for it. As its unplayable so its not vital but its be significantly better than the current system of randomly generated affronts to immersion.
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Popes picked from existing characters by cardinals picked from existing characters with bribes and schemes to place family members or allies in these positions would practically complete Crusader Kings II. Forget about pagans (it's a figure of speech, I still want pagans), Catholicism is the ultimate expansion.
Well, all I know about the Papal system in CK II is that it is definitly two steps back when compared to CK I. Im bloody tired of some nobody being elected to the throne of St. Peter!
A search engine would help with that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Alexander_VI Not 21, but I think there was a Pope who was pretty young.
Are you saying he was the only arbitrary and disliked Roman emperor? The thread is about the Pope spawning with malicious traits, so mentioning Alexander VI isn't not offtopic. According to this list, there were several Popes who had affairs, not just one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sexually_active_popes
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For El Cid, it is more like a case of the epic covering the truth, much like how Romance of the 3 Kingdoms muddied the waters of what really happened during the 3 Kingdoms era. In the epic, El Cid and others forced Alfonso to swear publicly in front of Santa Gadea (Saint Agatha) Church in Burgos on holy relics multiple times that he did not participate in the plot to kill his brother. Alfonso naturally bore a grudge against El Cid, and exiled him. Since the epic painted El Cid as the hero, Alfonso was the villian by default.
Or like 4 in 400 years, most of which had less than a decade of rule.
So arguably ~10% failure rate.