What are the benefits of sattelites and puppets

[Gunnarr]

I am playing as the United States of Central America (harder then I remember in A House Divided... seems more reactionaries)

I have taken Panama and have just beaten the Mexicans for the Yucatan (thanks to good ol USA)

Now that I have a truce and just 1.8 infamy, I am not sure what to do. I was thinking about making haiti become a puppet state, but I read that puppets do not have much benefit besides joining your wars. So, I thought perhaps I should conquer haiti and then release them as a sattelite.

What are the benefits of sattelites? Do they provide any economic benefit?



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What do you think I should do at this time in my game, should I do something with haiti or just sit around, or perhaps do humiliation wars?

 

[Korashy]

Pretty sure Satellites and Puppets are the same thing. In HoD you can release Dominions whose units you can control in war, I don't know if that's true for puppets however since I never use them (too scared they reach Great Power through some odd reason). The nice thing with puppets in theory is that you won't have to deal with non accepted cultures or low literacy (which frankly I never have any problem with). They are also not bad as a buffer state since their territory cannot be conquered unless it's been released in a war (meaning you would have to fight one war to release and another one to annex).

 

[Gunnarr]

ohhh ok


do they try to buy from your economy first or do they still do the default buying procedures?

 

[Korashy]

Actually not sure, puppets can actually be in someone else's sphere. They will still prioritize their alliance with yours, but I think they will buy from whoever's sphere they are in.

 

[Dorevai]

I think they have to be in your sphere for the economic stuff. It'd be nice if puppet meant common market and sphere just overpowered that though. Like then Luxemburg would prefer Netherlands' market unless it was sphered.

Generally sphering minors is better for them than you, especially if you're a prestige god. They get access to all your excess goods rather than rolling the dice with their prestige in the global market. So if puppet meant common market Luxemburg/Holstein/Moldavia/Wallachia/etc. would all fare a bit better.

 

[Korashy]

Some mods have events that let the sphere master for a price of infamy try to coup the puppet, forcing it to be released from its master peacefully (or it might also fail and you gain infamy for nothing). However i dunno if that's also in vanilla.

 

[El Jojo]

Can't you try to get a bit of a colonial empire ? Through Hawai and Asia maybe ? Are you already a great Power ?

 

[podcat]

I think they have to be in your sphere for the economic stuff. It'd be nice if puppet meant common market and sphere just overpowered that though. Like then Luxemburg would prefer Netherlands' market unless it was sphered.

you get a 50% bonus to influencing and keeping a puppet in your sphere though so its pretty easy to keep them from someone elses