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I usually have tariff at 5% although I will drop it to 2-3% if I see people not getting their needs. I think I went negative tariff a long time ago just to see what it does. But that was decades ago or maybe in my Netherlands game.

Although it seems to happen to most of my factories (planes, cars, tanks, etc), it isn't a big problem. My factories are still profitable. Its just that I don't understand why my high demand products aren't purchased. I totally understand when my steamer convoy factories go in the red. I keep them open so I can always build ships but they aren't always profitable.

If anyone want to check it out here is a save. Just check production every now and then and you'll see something weird like a airplane factory not selling all its goods when demand is high.

https://mega.nz/#!hsdGUCTb
 

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It's not just about demand, it's also about the ability of the pops/factories demanding the good to actually afford the cost of the good. For example your rich pops want cars so automobiles will be in high demand, however your rich pops are being taxed to hell or are running unprofitable factories so they can't actually afford to buy cars. So the demand remains high because they still want cars but your factories won't actually be selling anything as cars are unaffordable to the people who want them.
 

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also POP's don't just buy one good at a time. And also buy some higher need goods, even if they didn't fulfill all lower level goods. This natural leads to fluctuations. No clue on ratio.
 

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I watched some Shenyyr and played China. China is just super painful to play. The first 50 years of the game you are just waiting to westernize. The whole time you kill tens of thousands of your population every time some westerner got attacked. And you play whack a mole with the rebels killing thousands more. After you westernize you pray that Russia doesn't attack you. And of course they do. First they want a northern province they had no business having a core in. Then they want to sphere the entire Yunnan.
 

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I watched some Shenyyr and played China. China is just super painful to play. The first 50 years of the game you are just waiting to westernize. The whole time you kill tens of thousands of your population every time some westerner got attacked. And you play whack a mole with the rebels killing thousands more. After you westernize you pray that Russia doesn't attack you. And of course they do. First they want a northern province they had no business having a core in. Then they want to sphere the entire Yunnan.

Pfft, why pray Russia doesn't attack? Especially after you Westernize... Even before you Westernize the moment you get your first reform take the one that gives you infantry than replace all your irregulars with infantry and keep a few cavalries with each infantry stack. Than you're pretty much set against everyone, even before you Westernize. After you Westernize you get access to balanced stacks, at last, ideally 3 inf, 4 art, 1 eng, 2 recon cav for each stack you can basically take on the rest of the world, combined if you need to, even when behind on military tech.
 

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I watched some Shenyyr and played China. China is just super painful to play. The first 50 years of the game you are just waiting to westernize. The whole time you kill tens of thousands of your population every time some westerner got attacked. And you play whack a mole with the rebels killing thousands more. After you westernize you pray that Russia doesn't attack you. And of course they do. First they want a northern province they had no business having a core in. Then they want to sphere the entire Yunnan.
You're not supposed to play China as a beginner nation.
Pfft, why pray Russia doesn't attack? Especially after you Westernize... Even before you Westernize the moment you get your first reform take the one that gives you infantry than replace all your irregulars with infantry and keep a few cavalries with each infantry stack. Than you're pretty much set against everyone, even before you Westernize. After you Westernize you get access to balanced stacks, at last, ideally 3 inf, 4 art, 1 eng, 2 recon cav for each stack you can basically take on the rest of the world, combined if you need to, even when behind on military tech.
You forget the rebels. I shudder every time. And the economy is really good but not good enough to have a strong military, good education, and good administration.
 

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You're not supposed to play China as a beginner nation.

You forget the rebels. I shudder every time. And the economy is really good but not good enough to have a strong military, good education, and good administration.

You're right, I wasn't talking about good education and administration, these will fall behind if you're playing a militaristic game and therefore focusing on military techs(to catch up a little bit) and fight off Russia and potentially the UK too. Not that it's my cup of tea, I prefer a more economic game with China, my point was that as a Westernized China you shouldn't be afraid of anything, you just need to focus on the right things depending on your situation.
 

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You're right, I wasn't talking about good education and administration, these will fall behind if you're playing a militaristic game and therefore focusing on military techs(to catch up a little bit) and fight off Russia and potentially the UK too. Not that it's my cup of tea, I prefer a more economic game with China, my point was that as a Westernized China you shouldn't be afraid of anything, you just need to focus on the right things depending on your situation.
That is true.

Still, beware of rebels.
 

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Another off topic question. Germany decided it wants British Osthannover and declares war on the British. British calls its ally the Russians and Germans called me into the war. The war becomes a great war. The war has been going on for a while and we have 84% warscore. But the % Osthannover captured is 0. I could not find Osthannover. Where is it?

The British refuses to capitulate and I don't have the ships to take control the seas or to take my armies to the British Isles. Is there anything I could do to end the war without giving up wargoals?
 

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Another off topic question. Germany decided it wants British Osthannover and declares war on the British. British calls its ally the Russians and Germans called me into the war. The war becomes a great war. The war has been going on for a while and we have 84% warscore. But the % Osthannover captured is 0. I could not find Osthannover. Where is it?

The British refuses to capitulate and I don't have the ships to take control the seas or to take my armies to the British Isles. Is there anything I could do to end the war without giving up wargoals?

It's the tiny island north of Hanover, just above the western end of the German coastline. It's a British colony at the beginning of the game and later on Prussia/NGF/Germany gets a decision to get a core on it which is probably what triggered the war you mentioned.
 
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Another off topic question. Germany decided it wants British Osthannover and declares war on the British. British calls its ally the Russians and Germans called me into the war. The war becomes a great war. The war has been going on for a while and we have 84% warscore. But the % Osthannover captured is 0. I could not find Osthannover. Where is it?

The British refuses to capitulate and I don't have the ships to take control the seas or to take my armies to the British Isles. Is there anything I could do to end the war without giving up wargoals?
Put this in the Quick Questions/ Quick Answers thread. The question deviates from the topic of this thread.
It's the tiny island north of Hanover, just above the western end of the German coastline. It's a British colony at the beginning of the game and later on Prussia/NGF/Germany gets a decision to get a core on it which is probably what triggered the war you mentioned.
Its called Heligoland if you want to search it up ingame.
 

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Thanks guys! War ended and the UK finally capitulated at 100% war score. I picked up 2 Indian States and and forced 3 British Satellite states to pay me back their debt not to mention great war capitulation.

Isn't there a state in southwestern Africa that is called Heligoland?

Nevermind the name of the state is different in Africa. I found Heligoland. I can't believe Germany and the UK fought over that tiny island of 13k fishermen. Russia, UK and her allies really paid.
 
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Nevermind the name of the state is different in Africa. I found Heligoland. I can't believe Germany and the UK fought over that tiny island of 13k fishermen. Russia, UK and her allies really paid.

That's really funny, just like when World War 1 starts because of a crisis about the rights to colonize the Solomon Islands. I've seen it happen before.
 

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Well you might argue that the real World War I because over something less than major, but what mattered was the diplomatic and military situations set up beforehand.