What are "ship modules"?
Integrated designers gives +20% research boost for "ship modules"
Thanks!
Integrated designers gives +20% research boost for "ship modules"
Thanks!
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What are "ship modules"?
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Guns, torpedo techs, armor, fire control(in a different folder so it might not count for the bonus but they are modules by definition), snorkels, basically anything that you put on a ship design.
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To a large extend yes, though the game has still (even after the 40%-bonus-to-some-items bug has been fixed) oddities in regard to what gets the discount and what not. A detailed info on the current situation, my proposal how the bonus could be granted (or not granted) to various items in a more stringent way and some discussion around "where to draw the lines" can be found here:
HoI 4 - [v1.12.10.0c12][5f1b] Integrated designers issue fix does not work for all techs correctly.
Description of issue [v1.12.10.0c12][5f1b] Integrated designers issue fix does not work for all techs correctly. What platform do you play on? Steam Game Version v1.12.10 Enabled DLC Together for Victory, Death or Dishonor, Waking the...
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Yeah, Ship Modules are very important to Upgrade your existing Ships with new Weapons, Technology, Armours as well as special Qualifiquations (Shooting / Damage Controll). The last one are not Moduls, but very important too to make your Crew better. They are the costly ones (Training and Qualifiquations), but make your Ships more effective in Combat.
All Ships (don´t make a difference they are Freighters, Passenger Ships or Warships) are build up with Moduls. That´s the Engine, the Hull, the Decks etc. The best Way to understand that is to watch an Dokumentation from an Ship-Buildup with the Planing to the final Buildup.
All Ships (don´t make a difference they are Freighters, Passenger Ships or Warships) are build up with Moduls. That´s the Engine, the Hull, the Decks etc. The best Way to understand that is to watch an Dokumentation from an Ship-Buildup with the Planing to the final Buildup.
I concede that there are different possible ways to draw a "realistic" line what betweens "modules" and "non-modules" for the spirit, but at least I cannot see a clear and intuitive pattern within the current implementation for all techs. I can e.g. both live with including or excluding e.g. aspects of "crew training", but I just fail, when I should argue why some ammunition improvements are boosted by the designer and others not. Or why the tech giving the basic module for mine-laying for ships isn't getting the bonus, while it is applied for submarine-related mining installations.
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They’re a feature unlocked by the Man the Guns dlc. Instead of researching ship classes you research hulls and modules (weapons, engines, electronics, etc). You use the ship designer UI (accessed through the equipment production UI) to fill slots in researches hulls with researched modules in order to create your own ship classes.
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Perhaps in a future edition, the technologies affected by "Integrated Designers", will get a special thick yellow gold border:
Perhaps in a future edition, the technologies affected by "Integrated Designers", will get a special thick yellow gold border:
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I went digging to see what greater precision I could offer to the topic. The entry for the spirit in the files, is...
Which seems to just give a 20% research bonus to the ship_modules_tech category. If we go into the technologies folder and open up MTG_naval_Support, this is the first entry for that folder, the basic guns tech.
We can see that down near the very bottom, that tech has "categories = { ship_modules_tech }. I liken this to the same way that doctrines and other research upgrades can provide bonuses to a 'group' of battalions/companies, like special forces or front line.
I noticed that someone else had linked to a post that already contained a lot of the sort of information that I provided here... but I'm not going to delete this now, lol.
Code:
integrated_designers_spirit = {
ledger = navy
visible = { has_dlc = "Man the Guns" }
research_bonus = {
ship_modules_tech = 0.20
}
ai_will_do = {
factor = 1
modifier = {
factor = 0
NOT = { has_dlc = "No Step Back" }
}Which seems to just give a 20% research bonus to the ship_modules_tech category. If we go into the technologies folder and open up MTG_naval_Support, this is the first entry for that folder, the basic guns tech.
Code:
basic_battery = {
research_cost = 1
start_year = 1922
path = {
leads_to_tech = basic_light_battery
research_cost_coeff = 1
}
on_research_complete = {
custom_effect_tooltip = light_battery_advice_tt
custom_effect_tooltip = medium_battery_advice_tt
custom_effect_tooltip = heavy_battery_advice_tt
custom_effect_tooltip = secondary_battery_advice_tt
}
path = {
leads_to_tech = basic_medium_battery
research_cost_coeff = 1
}
path = {
leads_to_tech = basic_heavy_battery
research_cost_coeff = 1
}
enable_equipment_modules = {
ship_light_battery_1
ship_medium_battery_1
ship_light_medium_battery_1
ship_heavy_battery_1
ship_secondaries_1
}
folder = {
name = mtgnavalsupportfolder
position = { x = 0 y = 1 }
}
ai_will_do = {
factor = 1
modifier = {
OR = {
has_tech = early_ship_hull_light
has_tech = early_ship_hull_cruiser
has_tech = early_ship_hull_heavy
}
factor = 500
}
}
categories = {
naval_equipment
ship_modules_tech
cat_ship_light_battery
cat_ship_medium_battery
cat_ship_heavy_battery
}
}We can see that down near the very bottom, that tech has "categories = { ship_modules_tech }. I liken this to the same way that doctrines and other research upgrades can provide bonuses to a 'group' of battalions/companies, like special forces or front line.
The MTG naval support page
MTG naval page
The non MTG naval pages don't seem to have that tag at all. Which also makes sense, since you need MTG to be able to pick the spirit to begin with.
| Basic Battery | Basic Light Battery | Basic Light Shell | Improved Light Battery | Improved Light Shell | Advanced Light Battery | |
| Basic Medium Battery | Improved Medium Battery | Advanced Light Battery | ||||
| Basic Heavy Battery | Improved Heavy Battery | Advanced Heavy Battery | ||||
| Basic DP Light Battery | Improved DP Light Battery | Advanced DP Light Battery | Basic DP Medium Battery | |||
| Basic Torpedo | Improved Ship Torpedo Launcher | Advanced Ship Torpedo Launcher | Modern Ship Torpedo Launcher | Magnetic Detonators | Homing Torpedo | Electric Torpedo |
| Damage Control 1 | Damage Control 2 | Damage Control 3 | Fire Control Methods 1 | Fire Control Methods 2 | Fire Control Methods 3 | |
| Submarine Minelaying | Improved Submarine Minelaying |
MTG naval page
| Smoke Generator | |||
| Basic Depth Charge | Improved Depth Charge | Advanced Depth Charge | Modern Depth Charge |
| Sonar | Improved Sonar | Improved Airplane Lanucher | |
| Basic Cruiser Armour Scheme | Basic Heavy Armour Scheme | Improved Heavy Armour Scheme | |
| Snorkel | Improved Snorkel |
The non MTG naval pages don't seem to have that tag at all. Which also makes sense, since you need MTG to be able to pick the spirit to begin with.
I noticed that someone else had linked to a post that already contained a lot of the sort of information that I provided here... but I'm not going to delete this now, lol.
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Ah, I’d thought that the spirit reduced the design cost to add modules, because I forgot how to read. As a modder it’s quite annoying that the game doesn’t tell you a techs categories anywhere and the only way to check which categories a tech belongs to is to look at the script.