What are reasons to be a democracy?

[elessar90]

I don’t think greater national unity for democracies makes a lot of historical sense: France didn’t have more of it than the Soviet Union. And there’s the example of Finland allying itself with Germany to invade the Soviet Union and get its lost territory back.

Civilian industry and research are still the two areas where I think it makes the most sense to give democracies an advantage, but another could be the ability to change leaders peacefully. Britain of course did this at the start of the war, and Finland did too when they needed to get out of it. But there was no way for Italy to get rid of Mussolini without killing him.

They actually got rid of him without killing. Then Hitler forced him to restore fascist regime

 

[elessar90]

No, it doesn't.

I understand your pov, but why do you want unbalanced features? If feature A is more powerful than feature B without any significant tradeoffs it will obviously be overused by players. So feature B tend to become unnoticed like it doesn't exist. It just makes game biased and will not result in better product after all.

If there is any reason to unbalance anything - great. But now I see no reason to make democracy only limitation here like it was really bad regime without any reasons to exist.
Should player switch to democracy only if he want to make his own life harder? Nah, I have difficulty option for this. Democracy is gameplay thing and should not be underestimated.

 

[jockedahl]

More flexible government bonuses of some sort is also a good idea. Cheaper or easier tailoring of the national bonuses due to having elections and ministers that are good at what they do.

 

[Dalnar]

Agree. But there is no better motivation than hangman behind you
"You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." ©

Are you saying that North Korea has higher productivity than South Korea ? Business thrives in the north more and they work more efficiently?

 

[elessar90]

More flexible government bonuses of some sort is also a good idea. Cheaper or easier tailoring of the national bonuses due to having elections and ministers that are good at what they do.

Maybe some discount for political power and research

 

[elessar90]

Are you saying that North Korea has higher productivity than South Korea ? Business thrives in the north more and they work more efficiently?

No, completely not. But it could be if tried.

 

[Darkath]

Benefit of democracies is you can get tons of allies, especially UK and USA.

Say you play germany and your main goal is defeating the soviet ? You might have a better chance doing that along with USA and Great britain than with italy and japan.

 

[Dalnar]

It was tried...and it failed. I guess you didn't grow up in communistic country eh ?

 

[liuzhiyang200]

The power of democracy。。。

 

[elessar90]

It was tried...and it failed. I guess you didn't grow up in communistic country eh ?

Actually I'm from Russia, born in USSR, dude I think that dictatorship may grow toward powerful industrial nation if do it properly.
North Korea is just a sacrifice of one stupid personality... IMO, ofc.

 

[Dalnar]

Private property and personal gain are the highest motivators for productivity. It's really not about the unskilled workers in the bottom, but about the management, company owners and such. In dictatorships you have to play by the rules of the regimes, which means successful individuals are unable to thrive.

Beside, I do not think that democracies need some sort of bonus really. I'm more of the oppinion that fashism and communism should have both advantages and drawbacks.

 

[elessar90]

Private property and personal gain are the highest motivators for productivity. It's really not about the unskilled workers in the bottom, but about the management, company owners and such. In dictatorships you have to play by the rules of the regimes, which means successful individuals are unable to thrive.

Beside, I do not think that democracies need some sort of bonus really. I'm more of the oppinion that fashism and communism should have both advantages and drawbacks.

I actually think PI made this decision for a reason. They properly tested the game (I hope so at least). I just want to know the reason.
Strong start of democratic nations seems to be the most accurate factor to me, and I hope it is the reason.

I want to see some reply from Paradox guys, after all

 

[Drakons]

@Dalnar : Afaik there were some really successfull familiy businesses in Germany while under dictatorship. But right, they had to accept strict rules.

 

[elessar90]

@Dalnar : Afaik there were some really successfull familiy businesses in Germany while under dictatorship. But right, they had to accept strict rules.

Like Ferdinand Porshe and Hugo Boss, huh?

 

[Dalnar]

But those companies were not created during Nazi regime...they just adjusted to it. But did the thrive or expand? Pretty sure that without forced (slave) labour, it would not have been profitable business...

How many new succesful companies started during Nazi regime ?