What are reasons to be a democracy?

[elessar90]

But it'd be sensible, design-wise. Making Democracy have its own strengths would make reforming a dictatorship, an interesting RP choice, also a viable strategic choice.

I Also think they should add some industrial / trade bonuses for democracies.

 

[uishax]

But it'd be sensible, design-wise. Making Democracy have its own strengths would make reforming a dictatorship, an interesting RP choice, also a viable strategic choice.

Never in the history of mankind has any 'dictatorship' voluntarily shifted towards democracy during wartime. There should be no benefits in doing so at a peak of war. Only if cold war expansions were added in should democracies start to show their strength.

 

[elessar90]

THIS

You know... It means democracy is just a punishment in HOI

 

[Denkt]

Democratic nations did have the highest production efficiency during the war.

 

[uishax]

Democracies (or rather, free market economies) tend to have stronger economies than planned economy states, at least that could be reflected with the industry system somehow.

War economies are by definition different from free market economies, a democracy or not yields no advantages when its a war economy either way.
Additionally, the economic benefits of democracy are only relevant on a long term basis, a minimum of 1 decade before advantages become obvious, look at the economies of east west germany or north-south korea, the divergence doesn't happen instantaneously. So basically being democratic in HOI's timeline has no advantages.

 

[amalric de g.]

Never in the history of mankind has any 'dictatorship' voluntarily shifted towards democracy during wartime. There should be no benefits in doing so at a peak of war. Only if cold war expansions were added in should democracies start to show their strength.

Italy.

 

[elessar90]

So basically being democratic in HOI's timeline has no advantages.

Don't you think they should exist for gameplay reasons?

 

[Denkt]

Free market law make your industry more productive, easier to build infrastructure and make your research alot more efficient, the disadvantage is that you have to sell away alot for you home produced resources but if you control the seas you can just trade for the needed resources and keep the free market advantages.

 

[elessar90]

Free market law make your industry more productive, easier to build infrastructure and make your research alot more efficient, the disadvantage is that you have to sell away alot for you home produced resources but if you control the seas you can just trade for the needed resources and keep the free market advantages.

So you think that better relations with allies will balance democracies in HOI4, right?

 

[Gort11]

Don't you think they should exist for gameplay reasons?

No. Why should they?

 

[Denkt]

So you think that better relations with allies will balance democracies in HOI4, right?

It will give them significant advantages atleast as they can trade with each other which more or less make free trade a very strong choice.

 

[uishax]

Don't you think they should exist for gameplay reasons?

Emmm, its a simulation game, so gameplay mechanics are meant to mimic reality.
Free markets do offer tangible benefits compared to state dominated economies, this is even represented in game, but in real life USA and Britain still rationed their food.
Democracies on the other hand, just have no perceivable advantage compared to dictatorships during wartimes, even since Roman times people have understood that decisive leadership is required during wartimes.

 

[linen]

I always found it a shame that any law related to freedom & democracy in the game was virtually always a burden with negative attributes considering that the worlds leading powers by and large have free and open societies as are their economies. The opposite of which is highly rewarded in HOI.

 

[Denkt]

The most productive countries in WW2 was UK and USA and both was democracies.

 

[Razielus]

You know... It means democracy is just a punishment in HOI

Well I always make autocratic regimes in HOIs - It make things easier
But let be honest - There is no such thing as democracy during war

 

[Gort11]

The most productive countries in WW2 was UK and USA and both was democracies.

The UK was more productive than the USSR? You might need to back that one up with some numbers.

In any case, I don't think they were productive because they were democracies, they were countries with a lot of industry that happened to be democracies.

 

[elessar90]

No. Why should they?

Because democracies have some doubtful restrictions such as puppet-rule. The western Germany was a puppet in fact, at least just after war.

 

[Gort11]

Because democracies have some doubtful restrictions such as puppet-rule. The western Germany was a puppet in fact, at least just after war.

The ideologies don't need to be balanced against each other. One ideology having a restriction doesn't mean it needs an ability to make up for it.

All the ideologies need to do is reasonably represent how countries in this time period acted.

 

[uishax]

I always found it a shame that any law related to freedom & democracy in the game was virtually always a burden with negative attributes considering that the worlds leading powers by and large have free and open societies as are their economies. The opposite of which is highly rewarded in HOI.

Did UK and the USA expand democratic powers during WW2, or did they give more executive power to their top leader with declarations of state of emergencies?
Democracy does not reward you during the war, it rewards before and after, but not during the war.

 

[Miinda]

Well, theoretically democracies should have bonuses to trade, since they have a lot less potential enemies in the world.
Kind of like how the Free market slider in the former Hearts of Iron games. I don't believe any dictatorships of the time would have anything close to resembling a free market.