What Are Cadet Branches? II

[PANGI]

this one is more clear than the wiki mess...

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-w6adqR4eL...AAAc/Iz82_ZXHGTE/s1600/Lancaster+and+York.gif

 

[stevieji]

i think its quite simple:

trunk: plantegenets - branch A - Lancasters

- branch B -Yorks​

Well, I said they're all Plantagenets.

I'm not sure 'trunk' is a proper genealogical term. I could just as easily say ...

Trunk: Plantagenet
Branch: Lancaster
Twig: York

The reason it's complicated is that nobody at the time was playing by the rules - Kings were overthrown and murdered - and replaced by people who had good claims, but not the simple primogeniture that the system usually relies on.

As I already said, though - it seems you were probably right - ok?

 

[Sabotage13]

I guess that the reason why Louis XVI just got named Louis Capet after he abdicated was a symbol to show that King or not he was just a normal French and not a privilegied noble.

As "of a place" was often an indication of noble lineage so Louis of Bourbon was probably not kindly seen in Revolutionnary France.

Yea, Louis 16 was more or less a stand-in for the institution of monarchy as a whole, so he likely was named "Capet" to draw attention to that. I don't think the revolutionaries were particularly interested in the fineries of dynastic nomenclature.

 

[Captain Frakas]

The thing with House's name is just to highlight that they are other dynasty member that are not part of that specific Branch.

House of Bourbon is Capetian but not all Capetian are Bourbon this avoid confusion when different House interact with each others like Valois and Burgundy for exemple.

Likewise now they are Bourbon of Spain, Bourbon of Orléans (or simply of Orléans), Bourbon-Parma and many other branches of House of Bourbon with itself is just a part of the Capetians dynasty.

So to answer why Bourbon did not style themselve as Capet ?

Well they are. The true name of the House is Capetians House of Bourbon not just House of Bourbon.

I guess that the reason why Louis XVI just got named Louis Capet after he abdicated was a symbol to show that King or not he was just a normal French and not a privilegied noble.

As "of a place" was often an indication of noble lineage so Louis of Bourbon was probably not kindly seen in Revolutionnary France.

Capet is the surname of Hugh who happened to be the guardian of the cape of Saint Martin of Tours. Capetian become, for historians, the dynastic name of the posterity of Hughs but, as far as I know, only Hugh and Lewis "the Last" were called "Capet" (and, in case of Lewis, only during his trial).

A cadet branch is a family line from a younger son (which is called puîné or cadet in French) contrary to the senior branch of the firstborn son line (aîné in French). Robert, the benjamin of Saint Lewis of France, who was lord of Bourbon by iure uxoris gave the name of his lordship to the Capetian branch of his posterity, which include kings of France from Henry IV to Lewis-Philip and the current king of Spain: they are all descendant of Hugh Capet (hence Capetian) and more exactly of Robert of Bourbon (hence Bourbon branch of Capetian dynasty).
Lewis-Philip, the descendant of Phillip, duke of Orleans and second son of Lewis XIII, is of a cadet branch of the Bourbon branch: the Bourbon-Orleans branch of Capetian dynasty.
John-Charles and Phillip of Spain, descendants of Phillip, duke of Anjou and second son of the first son of Lewis XIV are also of a cadet branch of the Bourbon branch: the Bourbon-Anjou branch of Capetian dynasty.

A house is a family unit which, in landed nobility, happen to rule a territory. Hence, if the house of Robert was indeed the house of Bourbon, the house of Henry IV, Lewis XIII, Lewis XIV, Lewis XV, Lewis XVI, Lewis XVIII and Charles X wasn't the house of Bourbon but the house of France (and Navarre). They were called Henry of France, Lewis of France, Charles of France... The same is obviously true for John-Charles of Spain or Phillip of Spain: their house is the house of Spain, not of Bourbon.

This is for theory... the practice is more confuse.