What affects culture conversion?

[Jayavarman]

Does cultural / religious conversion require some conditions in "religious stringency / flexibility" to be satisfied first, before the event could fire? Else what are the latter for?

These are the only techs that aid in conversion:
academic disciplines
international fair
foriegn accreditation

These techs do not help:
vernacular literature
inquisition

 

[Varyar]

Justinian_A, do you currently use the modified conversion event? If so, could you perhaps copy-paste the event here in this thread so I could check/try it out?

 

[Justinian_A]

Sure. I've got to run a few errands today, I'll post it in here this afternoon.

 

[Varyar]

Smashing

 

[Justinian_A]

Actually, it would be kind of large to post here in the thread...want me to email it to you? If so, just PM me with your email address and I'll get it sent out to you.

 

[Varyar]

Well, I think I've found the reason why the conversion event doesn't work as it should:

condition = { type = same_realm } # Both provinces in same realm

When the condition above is removed, culture spreads between demesne provinces. Unfortunately, I don't know if it can be replaced by other conditions that does the same job.

@Justinian_A: I tested that file you sent but it made no difference.

 

[unmerged(17537)]

When the condition above is removed, culture spreads between demesne provinces. Unfortunately, I don't know if it can be replaced by other conditions that does the same job.

I think it can be replaced with

condition = { type = or
condition = { type = same_realm }
condition = { type = same_ruler }
}

However, I'm a bit concerned that there's something wrong with the logic for same_realm for all spread events within the same demesne, so it may be broken in the tech spread events as well. So, it wouldn't be possible to get both the 0.3 factor for same_ruler and the 0.5 factor for same_realm at the same time.

 

[Varyar]

I think it can be replaced with

condition = { type = or
condition = { type = same_realm }
condition = { type = same_ruler }
}

However, I'm a bit concerned that there's something wrong with the logic for same_realm for all spread events within the same demesne, so it may be broken in the tech spread events as well. So, it wouldn't be possible to get both the 0.3 factor for same_ruler and the 0.5 factor for same_realm at the same time.

I'll try that, but I assume it'll work since Byakhiam said the same thing in the bug report I posted. I knew I shouldn't have wasted those three hours last night trying to figure it out on my own :wacko: :rofl:

And you're probably correct about the tech spread modifiers not working either.

 

[Varyar]

Yep, just tested it and it works like a charm. So all of you that want the culture conversion event to work as it's supposed to, change this line in the conversion event:

condition = { type = same_realm } # Both provinces in same realm

to:

condition = { type = or
condition = { type = same_realm }
condition = { type = same_ruler }
}

 

[Jayavarman]

Thanks! I have just made the proper edits.

 

[Kettu]

Umm, how does the culture spread actually work? Does it spread the culture of the ruler or for example the capital, if those two have different cultures?

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Umm, how does the culture spread actually work? Does it spread the culture of the ruler or for example the capital, if those two have different cultures?

It spreads the culture of a province, not the culture of a character.

 

[Varyar]

Umm, how does the culture spread actually work? Does it spread the culture of the ruler or for example the capital, if those two have different cultures?

Like Veldmaarschalk says it's the province culture that spreads. The main condition for it to do so however is that the realm ruler(the King, or independent Duke/Count) has the same culture.

 

[doronz]

info about cultural conversion use

Well, it's quite useful to spread your culture if you intend to convert the game to EUII later on, since in EUII it does matter quite a bit, not to mention that it's generally impossible to change culture in that game.

What do you mean? I've never played EU, so I don't know. E.g. if I am a russian king of Scotland and none of my province is russian, but they're all scottish, is this a big problem in EU II? Are there any differences in this topic between EU II and EU III?
thanx

 

[Varyar]

What do you mean? I've never played EU, so I don't know

In EUII, culture affects both province income and revolt risk. So naturally, you would want as many of your provinces to have one of your state cultures.

E.g. if I am a russian king of Scotland and none of my province is russian, but they're all scottish, is this a big problem in EU II? Are there any differences in this topic between EU II and EU III?
thanx

That I don't know. I've never converted a game to EUII and I haven't payed much attention to EUIII development.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

What do you mean? I've never played EU, so I don't know. E.g. if I am a russian king of Scotland and none of my province is russian, but they're all scottish, is this a big problem in EU II? Are there any differences in this topic between EU II and EU III?
thanx

AFAIK only province cultures are converted, so the culture of your king in this case doesn't matter.

Since we don't know much about the culture system in EUIII it is impossible to say what the differences are in that area between EUII and EUIII, everything that has been said on the EUIII forum about culture, is speculation from forum-members.

The only thing we do know is that EUIII problably has much more cultures then EUII, since the last screenshot showed the culture 'Lowland Scottish'

But since I doubt that the official converter will work for CK-EUIII, the EUIII culture thing isn't important.

 

[Varyar]

Veldmaarschalk, how is state culture determined when converting from CK to EUII?

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

Veldmaarschalk, how is state culture determined when converting from CK to EUII?

I have no idea, I have only converted a game 2 times.

 

[gigau]

Veldmaarschalk, how is state culture determined when converting from CK to EUII?

Depends on what converter you use... With KoM's superior converter, it's calculated according to the culture of your provinces, according to their wealth... and eventually the ruler's culture can become state culture but only if enough provinces have the same culture.
I have no idea how it works for the in-game converter.

 

[Ironking]

Yep, just tested it and it works like a charm. So all of you that want the culture conversion event to work as it's supposed to, change this line in the conversion event:



to:

Ive done the changes but now I get an error message when loading a game (new or saved). I have the option to ignore it and still load. Is this ok or did I miss something?