What about Brazil for a first game?

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Brazilian independence - a Portuguese view

Originally posted by Geraldo
Come on! Give us a bit more! We are few in any case, lets not overreact. Honestly, there should be much more Portuguese than Spaniards.

I'd think 10-20% myself, but...I dunno, I don't think there's a way we could mathematically decide how many people were Portuguese and how many were Brazilian in any objective sense.

 

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Originally posted by PMLF
Vargas sympathized with the Nazis, he killed many enemies of the regime (many more than the 1964-1985 dictatorship). Although he did good things like the CLT (Consolidação das Leis do Trabalho) and the investment on Siderurgy (is that the word in English?) the fact that he was a dictator excludes him from being good ruler IMO. And I agree that ALL rules in Brazil were/are dumb and it seems the current one is the dumbest of all...

-Right, but many, many conservatives around the world in the 30´s sympathized with Nazis and Fascists (just read Churchill´s history of WWII to see how he was pro Mussolini). However, Vargas was not a fascist and he actually repressed the local fascist party. Eventually he entered the war on allied side and got some economic benefits in exchange. And he got a second term as elected president. I´m not pro Vargas, but as far as economic development is of concern, he was the best leader until the 30´s. And our country finished the WWII with a LARGE reserve in foreign exchange....which was quickly expended by Vargas sucessor, Dutra, in US made consumer goods and obsolete US military equipment (the wonders of free trade).
Btw; Pedro II couldn´t be considered as a democratic rule. A country whose economy is based in slavery is hardly be considered a democracy, and even among free people, right to vote was restricted to the wealthier.

It's true that there were revolts, mostly during the Regencial period, but during D.Pedro II government Brazil was very stable (until the 1880s at least).

-Here I must agree with you...many of these revolts started during the regency.

 

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Cabanagem, in the northern region, where the people even set up a local government; Balaida, violent clash in the northeast; Sabinada, where a rebel provincial government was put down; slave revolts throughout Bahia; the War of the Farrapos, in the southern region, a ten year civil war ending in the demise of the Republica Rio-Grandense; the Revolucao Praeira, violent civil war in the northeast; and the liberal revolution of 1842. All of the insurrections and rebellions that began during the regency.

Oh, and I agree that the beginning portuguese pop should be higher. And there should also be portuguese immigration throughout, seeing as how a good portion of my family came from portugal around the late 1800s.