Westernization in 1.8

[TheDarkMaster]

I'm running a long term test game to see how a small mod is working, and I've noticed that there are a lot of westernized states in the new patch. Russia, the Aztecs, Greece, nearly all the North African Muslim states, many of the natives, several West African states, the largest Indian Sultanate, some Indonesian states, the Kazakh hoard, and even two of the Siberian clans (who still haven't reformed their government) have all Westernized successfully. The only nation I had a hand in here with Westernizing was the Incas, as that was the nation I was controlling for the first two hundred years or so of the game.

Not only that, but even once they do Westernize, they take about a hundred years to actually catch up on tech. During that time, the AI won't take any new ideas for their nation, focusing entirely on technology.

Is how the game should be working?

 

[oblio-]

I'm running a long term test game to see how a small mod is working, and I've noticed that there are a lot of westernized states in the new patch. Russia, the Aztecs, Greece, nearly all the North African Muslim states, many of the natives, several West African states, the largest Indian Sultanate, some Indonesian states, the Kazakh hoard, and even two of the Siberian clans (who still haven't reformed their government) have all Westernized successfully. The only nation I had a hand in here with Westernizing was the Incas, as that was the nation I was controlling for the first two hundred years or so of the game.

Not only that, but even once they do Westernize, they take about a hundred years to actually catch up on tech. During that time, the AI won't take any new ideas for their nation, focusing entirely on technology.

Is this how the game should be working?

Not 100% sure on this, but I think there's a bug with countries not turning provinces into trade companies.
And you cannot westernize while still a horde.

 

[Freudia]

Stems from the fact that westernizing is generally not worth it outside of the New World. However, having many nations westernize is probably better than none at all, as it means that they won't forever be a total pushover to Western European invasion.

 

[TheDarkMaster]

Not 100% sure on this, but I think there's a bug with countries not turning provinces into trade companies.
And you cannot westernize while still a horde.

Kazakh isn't a hoard anymore, it is a Sultanate (despotic monarchy). The Siberian Clans aren't restricted from Westernizing while still clans, it seems anyway.

 

[Santoes]

I imagine the devs changed it for that the ai will westernize as it is more controllable for them. Autonomy, and harsh treatment makes westernization rebel free if you are willing.

 

[laiziras]

ive noticed alot of westernizations too, also it doesnt seem to take long at all, ottomans and ragusa did it in less than 10 years

 

[GoffBall]

Ming took around 10 to 15yrs to westernized. Even Han Australia westernized due to the 1 or 2 Spanish and Portuguese colonies near them and I didn't even notice.

 

[TheDarkMaster]

By the end of this game, even more states have Western tech, I think about half of the entire world has it at this point. If you were to convert this game to Victoria 2, I don't think there would be many uncivilized nations at all.