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Maybe if you fortify west poland with all provinces in lvl 5 before rusians declares war can hold with 9 inf +E in every province and little tactical and strategical air support, but is a great risk without armored reserves.
My first campaign I diploannexed Luxembourgh and blitzed throug Metz and took out France w/o any trouble.
Next game Metz was occupied with +20 divisions so I went through Belguim doing exactly what walrus suggested:
"When starting your attack on the Western front try a simeltaneous attack on Arlon & Brussels. Remember that your infantry is going to be slaughtered if it has to attack across a river (into Brussels) and that it will also suffer big losses against land forts.
The province you really want first (in my opinion) is Arlon, because if you let a big stack form in there you will have problems shifting it - that will happen if you force a belgian retreat from Brussels without taking arlon first.
So hit Arlon in good warm weather with 24+ mech and armoured units and throw what armour you have left at Brussels with some cannon fodder infantry support. You can always retreat from Brussels once the battle in Arlon is going your way - the objective of the Brussels attack is just to stop the Belgians sending troops into Arlon during your battle there. Once Arlon is yours you can launch a 2-pronged attack on Brussels at your leisure.
Then roll onto Sedan and try and encircle the Lille stack. That should give you a foothold and it's up to you how to progress from there."
Well I tried the direct follow up attack after taking Arlons with some 80 divisions pursuing the 10 or so defending Belgians that were more or less dead from the Arlon stomping and the 10 Brussel defenders that were messed up from my 30 division diversion attack into Brussel. Good weather, leaders and air support, multi-direction attack. I was crushed. 80 against 20 half dead divisions.
I rested until my troops were fully recovered, pinned down neighbouring provinces, sent in all my air and charged 110 divisions against 30, now rested, Belgian divisions in Brussel from Arlons and Köln. I lost 1000 strength points to each point the Belgians lost. Good weather, leaders and air support multi-direction attack.
These attacks would have been easily won in 1.04. Here it was impossible to gain ground. I agree that you have to lurew the Frencg far into Germany or repidly attack where the AI leaves a gap, which it seldom does on a 5 province front with 180 french, 120 UK and 30 Belguim divisions at its disposal.
Italy had landed large numbers of troops in the south so the allies were quite busy there...
I guess what Im saying that the west front with its narrow span, fortified provinces and rivers can be really hard to pass. Maybe paratroopers or naval invasions is the solution.
Next game Metz was occupied with +20 divisions so I went through Belguim doing exactly what walrus suggested:
"When starting your attack on the Western front try a simeltaneous attack on Arlon & Brussels. Remember that your infantry is going to be slaughtered if it has to attack across a river (into Brussels) and that it will also suffer big losses against land forts.
The province you really want first (in my opinion) is Arlon, because if you let a big stack form in there you will have problems shifting it - that will happen if you force a belgian retreat from Brussels without taking arlon first.
So hit Arlon in good warm weather with 24+ mech and armoured units and throw what armour you have left at Brussels with some cannon fodder infantry support. You can always retreat from Brussels once the battle in Arlon is going your way - the objective of the Brussels attack is just to stop the Belgians sending troops into Arlon during your battle there. Once Arlon is yours you can launch a 2-pronged attack on Brussels at your leisure.
Then roll onto Sedan and try and encircle the Lille stack. That should give you a foothold and it's up to you how to progress from there."
Well I tried the direct follow up attack after taking Arlons with some 80 divisions pursuing the 10 or so defending Belgians that were more or less dead from the Arlon stomping and the 10 Brussel defenders that were messed up from my 30 division diversion attack into Brussel. Good weather, leaders and air support, multi-direction attack. I was crushed. 80 against 20 half dead divisions.
I rested until my troops were fully recovered, pinned down neighbouring provinces, sent in all my air and charged 110 divisions against 30, now rested, Belgian divisions in Brussel from Arlons and Köln. I lost 1000 strength points to each point the Belgians lost. Good weather, leaders and air support multi-direction attack.
These attacks would have been easily won in 1.04. Here it was impossible to gain ground. I agree that you have to lurew the Frencg far into Germany or repidly attack where the AI leaves a gap, which it seldom does on a 5 province front with 180 french, 120 UK and 30 Belguim divisions at its disposal.
Italy had landed large numbers of troops in the south so the allies were quite busy there...
I guess what Im saying that the west front with its narrow span, fortified provinces and rivers can be really hard to pass. Maybe paratroopers or naval invasions is the solution.
I find the French AI doesn't guard Metz because of Luxembourgh, so sometimes I tried cruising into Luxembourg and make a beeline for Metz, I did this and the french not a single division to repel me.
I don't think I am going to be able to hold the Soviet Union, I ceded them half of Poland, there are two marsh provinces the rest all got fortresses I will just half to forget attacking England I wasted their navy anyways and I will concentrate on Russia from now on.
On an other note is there any way to get Nationalist Spain to join my alliance? I can NEVER influence them at all.
I don't think I am going to be able to hold the Soviet Union, I ceded them half of Poland, there are two marsh provinces the rest all got fortresses I will just half to forget attacking England I wasted their navy anyways and I will concentrate on Russia from now on.
On an other note is there any way to get Nationalist Spain to join my alliance? I can NEVER influence them at all.
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Has anyone already made experiences with the Metz situation as it presents itsself in v0520 ?
Thanks for feedback, and, if you get there and it is still not good: save your game and send it in, ill screw with it then!
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Has anyone already made experiences with the Metz situation as it presents itsself in v0520 ?
Thanks for feedback, and, if you get there and it is still not good: save your game and send it in, ill screw with it then!
nightyy@gmx.de
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A STONY ROAD
The Sprite Archive
The CORE project
Juv95hrn.......Ouchie mate, that sounds like a real freak outcome on that Brussels assault 
Once I had Arlon I made sure I moved one of my armoured/mech groups into Koln to attack from there. I usually end up hitting the Brussels defenders (and the battered remnants from Arlon) with about 10 Pz III E and 20 Mech E. That on it's own should be enough, especially with good leaders.
Good luck.
Once I had Arlon I made sure I moved one of my armoured/mech groups into Koln to attack from there. I usually end up hitting the Brussels defenders (and the battered remnants from Arlon) with about 10 Pz III E and 20 Mech E. That on it's own should be enough, especially with good leaders.
Good luck.
My new strategy for France is to drive through Sedan and into Amiens, Rouen and perhaps onto Caen if I can. Then I hold a line there to bring up infantry to keep Lille encircled and to bolster my forces bordering on Paris. This of course gives the allies time to move forces away from Metz & Colmar
Then I move my armour along the line and try and steamroller through Chaumont into Nancy and Besancon which cuts off ht e Metz pocket.
As long as I don't take Paris (which would move the capital and all the supply to Colmar) before the pocket loses it's org it all works nicely.
I still wouldn't dare assault Metz in a "normal" situation.
Oops, I just thought that you might be asking for feedback on Metz for those using the road through Luxembourg. Bugger, sorry.
I'm starting to think building AA for western provinces falls under false economy as well. IC would be better spent to build more planes for luftwaffe.
Coup Belgium
I usually do a coup in belgium (it succeded often, mostly in the second attempt) and then it becomes ur ally....so u can start invade france from there and it's more easy
I usually do a coup in belgium (it succeded often, mostly in the second attempt) and then it becomes ur ally....so u can start invade france from there and it's more easy
call me weird, but i like pocketing the french with almost no fighting...
get military access through switzerland, and rush your 60+ panther-divisions into dijon, from there continue west, going north of paris, not taking it, and reach the coast. use your ~50 imp. dive bombers to decimate the divisions in the south, Then, when you get more panthers, take southern france. you can now assault the northern defence-line all you want.
get military access through switzerland, and rush your 60+ panther-divisions into dijon, from there continue west, going north of paris, not taking it, and reach the coast. use your ~50 imp. dive bombers to decimate the divisions in the south, Then, when you get more panthers, take southern france. you can now assault the northern defence-line all you want.
N!ghty- would you feel better if I told you that I restarted my latest game as Germany because I couldn't break through?
I tried everything- I left Koln open to draw forces forward (they came), and then tried attacking through Eindhoven to get to Antwerp. Not only did that attack fail, but I couldn't even retake Koln! I then tried an amphibious assault on Antwerp, which worked... sort of. I got 9 tank divs in there, but the British navy kept me from ever landing the 12 div inf army I needed to hold the supply line open to allow the tanks to advance.
As for Metz, I did annex Luxembourg, but then upon realizing that Metz was heavily defended anyway, tried to lure troops into Lux from Metz- no luck
Now I think I'm going to try allying with Switzerland, or perhaps MuaDib's idea of taking on Yugoslavia to gain the ports.
I tried everything- I left Koln open to draw forces forward (they came), and then tried attacking through Eindhoven to get to Antwerp. Not only did that attack fail, but I couldn't even retake Koln! I then tried an amphibious assault on Antwerp, which worked... sort of. I got 9 tank divs in there, but the British navy kept me from ever landing the 12 div inf army I needed to hold the supply line open to allow the tanks to advance.
As for Metz, I did annex Luxembourg, but then upon realizing that Metz was heavily defended anyway, tried to lure troops into Lux from Metz- no luck
Now I think I'm going to try allying with Switzerland, or perhaps MuaDib's idea of taking on Yugoslavia to gain the ports.
Switzerland option seems to be quite an advantage. The bastards don't expect you to do hannibal.
That's true, but the Yugoslavia plan does seem to have a lot more style Plus, it uses a weakness in your opponent, the AI (lack of adaptability), rather than a weakness in the game (the relative ease of aligning neutrals with you, which I think deserves to be addressed- realistically, Switzerland ought to be nearly impossible to influence, let alone ally with).
Plus, it uses a weakness in your opponent, the AI (lack of adaptability), rather than a weakness in the game (the relative ease of aligning neutrals with you, which I think deserves to be addressed- realistically, Switzerland ought to be nearly impossible to influence, let alone ally with).
Allying with democratic countries is very difficult, but gaining military access is not. In fact, I think IRL a certain neutral scandinavian country granted military access to germans taking over Norway..
Well, with reference to Switzerland in particular, which has for a very long time put a very high regard on its neutrality, I think it should be very difficult if not next to impossible to do anything with them diplomatically.
Oh I think Switzerland will be subdued if they see a 100+ div army at their borders. And anyway, you could just charge 'em. As long as you sort of plan it, it goes well.
Another strategy is of course to break through through italy. (if you should be allied with 'em.)
Not that I have managed to take out france trough italy. But I tried once and it nearly succeded.
Another strategy is of course to break through through italy. (if you should be allied with 'em.)
Not that I have managed to take out france trough italy. But I tried once and it nearly succeded.
Southern France is mountainous so that's not going to take you anywhere. Especially as Gebirgsjäger has crappy values wrt regular infantry.
For dealing with Switzerland, I'm sure there would be ways.. You'd only have to subvert a couple of the cantons for right-of-passage, right?
For dealing with Switzerland, I'm sure there would be ways.. You'd only have to subvert a couple of the cantons for right-of-passage, right?