Western Europe 1337-1469 - The Rose, the Lily, and the Oak
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The main reason I mention the Frisian coast is because it'd be mostly our fault if it looks wrong. Luca (our original dev) mentioned researching water levels in the area when he made our map a couple of years ago. To my understanding, global sea levels were lower in the period which meant that some low lying features that exist in our map should be flooded in yours.
Here's one map:
There are probably clearer ones out there, but it shows the land slightly more fragmented and submerged 500 years later.
I believe you should make rivers navigable. To my understanding the Thames and Severn were navigable for quite a distance, and I see no reason why shipping or troop deployment shouldn't be allowed down such rivers. I'm not particularly knowledgeable about rivers outside Great Britain, however.
There are probably clearer ones out there, but it shows the land slightly more fragmented and submerged 500 years later.
I'm going to dig through my stuff and post what I have. The whole Frisian Coast has gone through a lot by the time-frame in this mod. The 10th Century picture above is still with Holland having a lake and heavy forests. A series of really bad storms hit the North Sea during the 12th to 14th Centuries and completely changed the coastlines of England, Holland, and Denmark. It also made Lake Almere into the Zuiderzee and drowned the Creiler Forest. By now the beginnings of the polders are starting to take shape to reclaim the land.
Recap of lost content:
This is the planned scope of the mod (Denmark will also be in) and anything on the eastern edge that is pure white will not be playable. I have no current plans to expand the playable areas or increase the size of the map.
The below screenshots represent the dukedoms and marquessates as of right now.
The below screenshots represent the most recent revisions for the de jure counties/earldoms (and viscounties/etc of France). This includes massive changes.
This is the planned scope of the mod (Denmark will also be in) and anything on the eastern edge that is pure white will not be playable. I have no current plans to expand the playable areas or increase the size of the map.
The below screenshots represent the dukedoms and marquessates as of right now.
The below screenshots represent the most recent revisions for the de jure counties/earldoms (and viscounties/etc of France). This includes massive changes.
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Just picturing trying to micromanage all of that gives me headaches lol
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That looks quite impressive. Is the difference in province intensity in the Iberian peninsula and the HRE intentional or are you just stil working on those?
I haven't touched the actual province map for anything other than the UK, France, and Italy. Everything else is just a guideline for either kingdoms or duchies or counties depending on the location.
With regards to Britain, will it be possible to create most of the present day and historic duchies like Grafton, Beaufort, St Albans, Devonshire and Marlborough etc.
That's why you need to give out the noble titles! Gotta delegate
Will it be possible to own yourself around 70% of your Kingdom (outside of HRE)? The King of France held lots of lands during that period...
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Looks nice! Is there a specific reason why Fermanagh is in Connacht rather than Ulster though? Meath also looks kind of strange in its current state; I'd say that Trim could also be part of that Kingdom.
Also, what did you use for the basis of your kingdoms (duchies) in Wales? The traditional Welsh kingdoms?
Also, what did you use for the basis of your kingdoms (duchies) in Wales? The traditional Welsh kingdoms?
It is possible to have a huge demesne. I am going to be adding some fun flavor stuff to make it rewarding or punishing based on the political situation and personalities. The limitis for demesne and duchy limits are essentially totally removed.
The shape of some of the provinces in Ireland makes some of the areas look a little weird. It is something I am going to be adjusting soon.
I did use the historic Welsh kingdoms for duchies. I have some that change names based on the kingdom that forms them.
No. I think the latest time you will see a recognizable duchy from is 1700s because I needed something for a particular area that was lacking a duchy. The overwhelming majority are 1500s and prior.
Yeah, I guess there isn't anything better to use (although some of the kingdoms do look a bit weird being superimposed on English counties). Brecknockshire/Brycheiniong would probably fit better as part of Powys though, Brycheiniog was never that big or as important as the other kingdoms there and it forms part of the modern-day preserved county of Powys as well.
While on the subject, why is Lothier there in France? I would have thought that would have been the comté of Artois and Flanders.
From what I could find the Duchy of Lothier covered that particular area of the lowlands. The counties of Artois and Flanders are still there. Here is a good link to help show it a bit clearer.
All of the tiny counties are being represented. So for example, in most mods you will see Artois as one big county, when in reality that area is a bunch of smaller counties (and the same with Flanders). Though sometimes that land might be held by a single person who personally holds just one title. It can get a little convoluted, but I am trying to represent it as historical as possible. I know for me personally I am starting to realize how innacurate the vanilla setup of counties really is.
What are you planning to do with that "Burgundian Crownlands" kingdom? Is it supposed to be a reference to the Kingdom of Arles/Arelat?
This looks really interesting, can't wait for this to come out, are you including the whole ck2 map? I hope you are.
The problem is that there never existed a duchy of Lothier in France (or at least I have never heard of one). From what I could find, it refers either to a deformation of Lower Lothringia, which is Lower Lorraine or the duchy of Brabant, and neither of those comprise the lands of Artois and Flanders (I mention those two because they are the biggest in the area and would have seemed like the natural choice for the ''duchy'' level lands), or the region of Picardie.
Moreover, none of the maps I found actually name this region Lothier or anything similar...
This seems to be the divisions of the region.
As you can see, Artois, Boulogne and Flanders seem to be the biggest titles in the region and aren't close to the lands of Lower Lothringia, and so would seem to be the best choice for duke-level holdings, no?
Also : why does Angoulême comprise the Saintoge, for practical purposes? And what is the big red land next to Burgundy that comprises lands of the Dauphiné, Franche-comté, Provence, etc.?