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Trespoe is an enigma

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Vote Ciryandor

looking at Randy's vote summary, Ciry has always been there or thereabouts with voting one of the leading (villager) candidiates on all non-JL days, and he's experienced enough to know that wolves may make throwaways on each other early on to avoid attracting blame for lynching a goodie, and might have been trying to avoid it.

But also because extra candidiates means BIGGER TIE! [/Lemeard]
 

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But also because extra candidiates means BIGGER TIE! [/Lemeard]

Hardly.

Count:

humancalculator - 3 - trespoe, Yakman, billy bob
trespoe - 3 - Slinky, Jopi, Lord_D
Raczynski - 2 - Ciryandor, AVN
White Daimon - 2 - randakar, Raczynski
Ciryandor - 1 - walrus


If you really want a bigger tie you should vote Racz or WD :)
 

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Hmn.

Looking at day 1, it might be an idea to put some pressure on the remaining living people voting Tornadoli at the deadline. That is: White Daimon, Trespoe, and billy bob.

We can also go for people voting Yakman, but since we don't know what Yakman's role is there is a smaller chance that there are baddies voting him in there.

I'm going to keep my vote where it is for now.

I find it rather interesting that people more or less jumped on two of those and not all three of them. I don't know what to think of that just yet, but clearly there something important there.

Vote billy bob
 

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Vote Ciryandor

looking at Randy's vote summary, Ciry has always been there or thereabouts with voting one of the leading (villager) candidiates on all non-JL days, and he's experienced enough to know that wolves may make throwaways on each other early on to avoid attracting blame for lynching a goodie, and might have been trying to avoid it.

But also because extra candidiates means BIGGER TIE! [/Lemeard]

:rofl: @ Lemearding

However I do not have any idea at all as to who is who, as I am just a Cylon. And what better way to impeach me than to say that I started the voting that got Boten Anna shut down? Early votes by a robot mean an excellent chance for the humans to make them look guilty. In fact, I'd really want everyone to start looking at the throw-aways much harder, I'm trying to see if anyone fits any sort of pattern at all; as humans ought to be prone to them, by just attempting to hide with us.
 

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I find it rather interesting that people more or less jumped on two of those and not all three of them. I don't know what to think of that just yet, but clearly there something important there.

It's curious, eh?

People didn't jump on two of them, they jumped on Trespoe. Only after I pointed out that I named 3 and only one of those was getting votes did Racz vote WD as well.

Definitely hmm..
 

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@GM: If a cultist is pack specific, would you mention it in the update?
 

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I'm still looking to hear excatly why you pulled those three names out of the hat, given the lack of a post where you actually explain it. Other than, we should vote on those who voted on Tornadil on day 1. I think it's far more interesting who where very eager to jump on this "analysis". Especially those that cast the 3rd wolfish votes. Such as

Vote Lord_D

Out of 5 votes, there is 2 throw avay votes, and 3 bandwagon votes. Impressive. Most impressive.
 

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Vote White Daimon


I already mentioned what I did on Day 1.

my vote was wasting away on Euro. I saw Torn, hdk, and Yakman in the lead. I didn't like the quick buildup on hdk (3 votes in a row) so I made a tie between Torn and Yakman.

Why White Daimon? He seemed to discourage the formation of a JL..... hmmm...
 

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@GM: If a cultist is pack specific, would you mention it in the update?
Cultists are not pack-specific in this game.

Cultists may or may not have started in contact with a pack, however they need to be in contact with the winning wolfpack to win (as requested by a lot of people in the General WW thread)

EDIT: as to your question - I will not list in the update which, if any, packs a cultist is in contact with at the point of his death.
 

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Why White Daimon? He seemed to discourage the formation of a JL..... hmmm...
No, because I have 2 votes and you want to reduce the chance of you being lynched. Be a man and don't sidestep the truth.
 

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Official vote count, 4h 49min to deadline

trespoe - 3 - Slinky, Jopi, Lord_D
White Daimon - 3 - randakar, Raczynski, trespoe
humancalculator - 2 - Yakman, billy bob
Raczynski - 2 - Ciryandor, AVN
Ciryandor - 1 - walrus
billy bob - 1 - Eternaly_Lost
Lord_D - 1 - White Daimon,

not voted - 4 - Lord Strange II, humancalculator, Kriszo, sbr


missed two votes, will be subbed if missing another - billy bob
missed one vote - sbr, Lord Strange II, humancalculator, White Daimon, Jopi, Raczynski, Eternaly_Lost
 

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Well, I see nothing even remotely conclusive, but of all the vote explanations, walrus' makes the most sense to me, therefor I'll follow suit.

vote Ciryandor
 

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I'm still looking to hear excatly why you pulled those three names out of the hat, given the lack of a post where you actually explain it. Other than, we should vote on those who voted on Tornadil on day 1. I think it's far more interesting who where very eager to jump on this "analysis". Especially those that cast the 3rd wolfish votes.

I was looking at Day 1's votes mostly. That day is very informative because we already have information on so many people who voted in the race between Torn, Yakman and the_hdk.

More importantly, the_hdk got into the danger zone there mid-day. The vote was turned away from him later on - Yakman and Torn were getting more votes than he was.

The most interesting thing though is that in that set of known people voting Torn and Yakman almost none of them are baddies. Emperor Walter is the *only* person we know was a cultist in that vote. Everyone else who died of the people voting Torn and Yakman was a goodie.

It stands to reason there had to be some baddies hiding in the vote on Torn and Yakman. Torn more so than Yakman, since Torn was also a goodie.

Hence the three names.

edit:
If this was an attempt to get me to unvote you you failed, though. You're trying to discredit this theory but it feels rather solid to me. Waving it away and then substituting it for your own theory .. well, maybe there's more truth to my theory than I reckoned.
 
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Well, I see nothing even remotely conclusive, but of all the vote explanations, walrus' makes the most sense to me, therefor I'll follow suit.

:rofl:

I must be doing something wrong, this isn't supposed to happen.
 

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If this was an attempt to get me to unvote you you failed, though. You're trying to discredit this theory but it feels rather solid to me. Waving it away and then substituting it for your own theory .. well, maybe there's more truth to my theory than I reckoned.
You're suggesting I'm ev0l because I voted on Tornadil as the first. Somehow magically predicting that Torn would be a major contender for the vote. Theres a reason why 3rd and 4th vote are more likely to be baddies. Its because they vote there to influence the voting. 1st and 2nd votes are far less likely to be ev0l because they are not very likely to influence the voting. ELEVEN people already had a vote, yet I choose to vote on a new candidate. Yeah, sure totally influencing the voting.

I'm annoyed because its a retarded theory, with non-existing evidence. OMG he voted on a goodie!!! On day ONE!!! ZOMG he must be ev0l!
 

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You're suggesting I'm ev0l because I voted on Tornadil as the first. Somehow magically predicting that Torn would be a major contender for the vote.

I'm suggesting three people who are more likely to be evil than others. You're one of them.
There's no need to get your panties all in a knot here, if you're an innocent I do apologize.

But instead of saying "hey, that might actually have some merit, but I'm not evol, sorry" you a) attempt to discredit the idea entirely and b) try to deflect the attention elsewhere with a new theory.

Now that I pointed that out though, you stop attacking the theory and instead attack me for including you in that list in the first place.

Theres a reason why 3rd and 4th vote are more likely to be baddies. Its because they vote there to influence the voting. 1st and 2nd votes are far less likely to be ev0l because they are not very likely to influence the voting. ELEVEN people already had a vote, yet I choose to vote on a new candidate. Yeah, sure totally influencing the voting.

I know this theory. You're the one that reminded people of it in your last big game in the first place.
Funnily enough, you casting the first vote with that theory in mind perfectly fits you trying to hide as a baddie ..
 

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I'm suggesting three people who are more likely to be evil than others. You're one of them.
because I cast the first vote on a goodie on day 1. Danm thats danming evidence! If your theory is that packmates tried to save the_hdk, then you should look at who cast / swapped votes that would clearly help the_hdk get out of danger. Did I do that? No I made a vote that gave a 12th person a vote. Then I did nothing else. If you really were looking for who cast votes that clearly helped the_hdk get out of harms way, then you would look at walrus, raczynski, trespoe and billy_bob. All cast beneficial votes for the_hdk after it was clear he was in danger and that their vote might save them. You haven't mentioned neither Raczynki nor trespoe. Their votes propelled the_hdk out of danger, but you haven't mentioned them. So obvious votes beneficial to the_hdk is not the basis of your theory. Neither are they votes beneficial to Yakman, because such votes would imply that Yakman is evil. But you haven't suggested him as a candidate so obviously you don't think he is suspicious.

Which leaves you with suggesting me for absolutely no reason other than that I voted on a goodie on day 1. Danm, thats incriminating. Yeah I might sound a bit annoyed, because I am. You seriously expect me to give serious credence to this theory that voting as the first person on a goodie on day 1 is seriously incriminating. Serious enough to be considered a prime voting candidate, while at the same time seering no reason to say anything about Lord_D. Who has consistently cast suspicious votes. Oh no, thats hardly suspicious. No no no, nothing compared to voting a goodie as the first on day 1.

I know this theory. You're the one that reminded people of it in your last big game in the first place.
What did I say?