Werewolf LXXXV: The War to End All Wars

[snoopdogg]

snoopdogg's voting record pretty much says "Hiding." Has been trying to get me killed, but I've yet to hear a good reason for that. Probably because some others have also said that I'm suspicious. Maybe snoop thought he could leverage those suspicions to get me lynched? This is, of course, the basic strategy for baddies at this point of the game. My #1 suspect.

This whole paragraph is total bull. Hiding? I put more attention on myself during the early day's votes than anyone in the game (see the day dublish was lynched for example). I was, according to several players, "too obvious of a russian to lynch". And since then I strongly advocated lynching sbr, the russian wolf. I haven't been overly active the last few days, although that doesn't seperate me from pretty much any of you except randakar either. And I haven't 'been trying to get you killed' I've voted for you once. Ever, as far I remember.

I'm not going to claim an important role. I'm just a villager. But I am brutal. If I get lynched I take down someone who voted for me.

 

[randakar]

I'm not going to claim an important role. I'm just a villager. But I am brutal. If I get lynched I take down someone who voted for me.

Wait, how does this help convince us not to lynch you? The brutal thing is only a valid threat to the village if you're a wolf. In which case the logical thing for you to do is to kill a baddie from the other pack, isn't it? (Provided there are still two packs, of course.. no certainty on that one.)
Conversely, if you're a villager it means you have a shot at taking down a wolf with you. Therefore: No downside to the village!

Interesting tidbit though. Brutal. So, villager, or (edit) russian? Lemeard was a brutal italian, so I suspect the italians are all out of brutal traits.
Conversely if you are a brutal villager, there must be a special trait baddie out there to rebalance the scales in the setup, musn't there?

edit: @snoopdogg, mind pointing us at the post where did that advocating?
edit2: Darnit, where's Kriszo?


Current count:
snoopdogg[4] - jopi, randakar, walrus, jonlucero
jopi [2] - marty99, snoopdogg

Not voted: von Loch Ness, Ciryandor

 

[randakar]

Unvote Snoopdogg
Vote Jopi


Let's keep this game interesting, shall we?


3 baddies minimum: 2 italians, 1 cultist remaining.

Villagers:
randakar
jonlucero
Marty99

Likely villager, too valuable to lynch right now:
von Loch Ness

Hard to tell:
Walrus v2
Ciryandor

Suspects
Jopi
Snoopdogg

If I could I would just lynch the bottom 4 people on this list and get the game over with, but alas ;-)

@snoopdogg: So talk little doggie! Who do you think are baddies? Who are goodies? You want to live, start analysing.

 

[Kriszo]

snoopdogg [3] - Jopi, walrus v2.0, jonlucero*

Jopi [3] - snoopdogg, marty99*, randakar v2.0

Not voted [2] - Ciryandor, von Loch Ness**

@randakar: I was at the university

 

[Jopi]

... since vLN has almost made himself clean. ...

No.

 

[randakar]

No.

Explain why?

edit: More reading - post #720:

I propose three candidates for today:

jonlucero for fudging with his alleged scan report
okyriosy for his attempted saving of dublish and leaderlynch of Hax
Tornadoli so he can get back to making votecounts for us at the Lite Game j/k No not him; I find him just a bit suspicious for the dublish vote but not like
Emperor Walter for having an over-reaction IMO to people voting for him

One priest, two villagers, and an unknown. Great score there, Ciryandor..

 

[Jopi]

Explain why?

I've played enough games not to trust someone's word on their role. Anyone can claim to be a hunter and not hunt anyone. Besides, why didn't Lemeard brutalize vLN?

 

[snoopdogg]

Wait, how does this help convince us not to lynch you? The brutal thing is only a valid threat to the village if you're a wolf. In which case the logical thing for you to do is to kill a baddie from the other pack, isn't it? (Provided there are still two packs, of course.. no certainty on that one.)
Conversely, if you're a villager it means you have a shot at taking down a wolf with you. Therefore: No downside to the village!

edit: @snoopdogg, mind pointing us at the post where did that advocating?
edit2: Darnit, where's Kriszo?

Yes, but I'll be using it for retribution. Voting me adds to your chances of dying.

Advocating what? Lynching sbr? http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11012405&postcount=893

ciryandor is wolf.

 

[randakar]

I've played enough games not to trust someone's word on their role. Anyone can claim to be a hunter and not hunt anyone. Besides, why didn't Lemeard brutalize vLN?

I personally thought it's because the baddies were at or near parity yesterday and the italians wanted to kill off the competition so they could win. Given that we have 3 baddies remaining (absolute minimum) that makes it 5 baddies yesterday, and 11 players. If they had killed off the last russian with that hunt they might have won.

von Loch Ness being a turned villager is a possibility too but I don't think that makes sense, setup wise. Giving the village a potential baddie hunter instead of putting the curses elsewhere sounds weird, balancing the game in favor of the wolves a little.
And nobody else has come forward to claim the trait, either.

 

[randakar]

Yes, but I'll be using it for retribution. Voting me adds to your chances of dying.

I don't particularly like bullies. Your defense absolutely sucks.

Advocating what? Lynching sbr? http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11012405&postcount=893

So you're not a russian. Good for you.

ciryandor is wolf.

Why?


edit: Have a load of this one:


Post #736:

Oky strikes me as especially suspicious.

Post #737:

This is key, oky's leader lynch ended the trail on that fake outing completely. It was a very nice way to tie up any loose ends. He is #1 and #2 on my list; if my list had more names he would be in more spots.

Vote Okyrioky

Right .. two wolves from two different packs attempting to cast suspicion on Okyriosi. This is *after* his "I was blessed" claim.
Walrus, congrats. You just made my "likely villager" list.

 

[snoopdogg]

I don't particularly like bullies. Your defense absolutely sucks.

My 'defense' is simply the truth about my role. Sorry that's not good enough for you. Guess I should've claimed to be a hunter, then I'd be a cleared goody eh?

So you're not a russian. Good for you.

Sorry, thought that information might be relevant somehow, obviously not. Honestly you seem like you're just out to lynch people for fun here.:wacko:

I think I'll brutalize you. See what your role is.

 

[johho888]

*grabs popcorn, waiting for the update*

 

[Kriszo]

*grabs popcorn, waiting for the update*

I hope you have a large amount of popcorn, because update is in 1,5 hours

 

[randakar]

My 'defense' is simply the truth about my role. Sorry that's not good enough for you. Guess I should've claimed to be a hunter, then I'd be a cleared goody eh?

It's based on two things:
1) The timing of his claim. To be exact, post #128, before the first night started even. As marty rightfully pointed out doing it at that particular time makes him scan bait.

2) Nobody else is claiming the role/trait combo, the game is too small for more than one, and nobody else is claiming it.

- However - aside from that he is suspicious as heck

Sorry, thought that information might be relevant somehow, obviously not. Honestly you seem like you're just out to lynch people for fun here.:wacko:

I think I'll brutalize you. See what your role is.

I can tell you my role. Villager.
But telling me I'm an idiot lynching people for *fun* is getting nowhere with me. Or threatening to brutalize me. (I absolutely *hate* threats. Doing something out of fear is the worst thing you can do in life. This is true for almost everything.)
I believe you and Jopi are both good suspects and I haven't heard you make a real case otherwise. You say Ciryandor is a wolf. Fine. Why? What evidence do you have?

Frankly I would not be surprised at all if Ciryandor turns out to be an italian and you turn out to be a russian. But if you want your team to win your case has to be better than "Ciryandor is a wolf" with no evidence behind it. Tell us why.

edit: If you haven't noticed by now, I am *far* more interested in having my side win than having me personally win. If you brutalize me and I am right about you I will still be happy. However, if you are a wolf brutalizing me is bad for your side, as it will mean the other baddie team will have a shot at victory instead. Do you really want that?

edit:
I'm glad this game is providing you with entertainment Johho ;-)

edit2:
Besides, if you are a russian your only chance at winning is convincing us to lynch an italian, isn't it? In fact that goes both ways ..

 

[marty99]

unvote jopi. Vote sbr.

If jonti wasn't a witness he'd most likely just defend himself and cast suspicion elsewhere. It seems a bit early to do this desperately. Plus Jonti hates fake outings.

vote sbr people! Nao!

I want to get him killed for once.

I just remembered this, I think Jopi is probably a baddie also, but I am pretty certain Snoopdogg is an Italian wolf, but since it is already a TIE, an outcome I would be reasonable happy with, I will leave my vote where it is, for now

 

[marty99]

Dammit, looking at the numbers if we have a TIE the baddies will get parity whatever happens, we have to choose someone

Unvote Jopi Vote Snoopdogg

 

[Kriszo]

snoopdogg [4] - Jopi, walrus v2.0, jonlucero*, marty99*

Jopi [2] - snoopdogg, randakar v2.0

Not voted [2] - Ciryandor, von Loch Ness**

 

[snoopdogg]

I just remembered this, I think Jopi is probably a baddie also, but I am pretty certain Snoopdogg is an Italian wolf, but since it is already a TIE, an outcome I would be reasonable happy with, I will leave my vote where it is, for now

Something's wrong with your radar. I don't know what it is, but everytime I get lynched everyone's 'certain' I'm a wolf. And 90%+ of those times I've been a villager. :wacko:

@randy: I'm not threatening. You're not even voting me so what would that achieve. I think you're already one of the best players, and some of your reasoning in this game has seemed a bit more lazy and inaccurate then I think usual. On top of that, I don't like the way that you only really just in the last couple of days, once we got to the endgame, started to take control of the village. Before that you never seemed to have any suspects, or at least you weren't pushing hard to get anyone lynched. I'm between you and ciryandor as the most likely baddy to target for a brutalize.

Edit:

Dammit, looking at the numbers if we have a TIE the baddies will get parity whatever happens, we have to choose someone

Unvote Jopi Vote Snoopdogg

What in the world makes you say that? You know there's only one pack left somehow? Remember I'm taking someone with me anyway, so add that into your considerations.

 

[randakar]

Something's wrong with your radar. I don't know what it is, but everytime I get lynched everyone's 'certain' I'm a wolf. And 90%+ of those times I've been a villager. :wacko:

Maybe you need to learn to write a proper defense?

@randy: I'm not threatening. You're not even voting me so what would that achieve.

True.

I think you're already one of the best players, and some of your reasoning in this game has seemed a bit more lazy and inaccurate then I think usual.

I don't really know about that. My first long analysis post was pretty decent, in hindsight.

On top of that, I don't like the way that you only really just in the last couple of days, once we got to the endgame, started to take control of the village. Before that you never seemed to have any suspects, or at least you weren't pushing hard to get anyone lynched. I'm between you and ciryandor as the most likely baddy to target for a brutalize.

Oh, that one is easier to explain: Until we started finding wolves in earnest I had very little to go on. We've had 3 or 4 days with bandwagons caused by fake outings and whatnot. Reasoning about who the wolves are gets very difficult with so little information. However, now that we have more I can actually get some decent analysis out of the thread.

If you truly are a villager I am very sorry for getting you run up like this, but in that case the baddies have played a very, very good game and they deserve the win.

Dammit, looking at the numbers if we have a TIE the baddies will get parity whatever happens, we have to choose someone

What do you mean, if we make it a tie the baddies win? Not if we manage to catch two baddies .. or are you afraid we'll wipe out a pack and get smacked with parity?

 

[snoopdogg]

Maybe you need to learn to write a proper defense?

Ok. You forced my hand. Now I'm just killing you because you're making me mad.