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Well I prefer the analysis-by-lynching school of thought. If we find you are a villager, we can take your analysis seriously. If you are a wolf, it can be safely ignored. Any other course of action simply leaves us in the dark.
Be weary however, because dead villagers are not always right.
 

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No, I have more votes than Nautilu


You know as well as I do I wasn't advocating a switch to Snoopdogg, I was talking about Day 1 when there was as much evidence for him as anyone else, stop twisting my words

If I was his packmate, why put him in danger in the first place and then save him so late, why not leave him alone?
You have not answered this question, indeed, no one has, if you're not a wolf you are monumentally stupid, your instinct was wrong last game, don't just go with your instincts, look at the evidence before you make up your mind
No thanks.

We have room for trial and error. If you're not a wolf, we lynch someone else tomorrow. If you are a wolf, I can stop worrying about this game cause you'll hunt me tonight.
 

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Well I prefer the analysis-by-lynching school of thought. If we find you are a villager, we can take your analysis seriously. If you are a wolf, it can be safely ignored. Any other course of action simply leaves us in the dark.
Analysis by lynching?
Therefore you would have to lynch every player to find out their role, what kind of tactic is that?

Every player still alive has voted for me at some stage in the game, who is my packmate?
No one can realistically be my packmate, therefore I cannot be a wolf, consider the pack dynamic, if someone doesn't fit in any possible pack they cannot be a wolf, no matter how suspicious their behaviour alone is
 

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Every player still alive has voted for me at some stage in the game, who is my packmate?
No one can realistically be my packmate, therefore I cannot be a wolf, consider the pack dynamic, if someone doesn't fit in any possible pack they cannot be a wolf, no matter how suspicious their behaviour alone is

Your logic makes perfect sense only if you buy into the premise that a wolf would never vote for his packmate.
 

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I'm going to go through with several scenarios right now:

People alive:
marty99
Cymsdale
trespoe
snoopdogg
randakar
Nautilu
Tornadoli
Syber_sid
EURO


In a worst case scenario, where we fail to lynch any wolf, and the wolves keep hunting one villager every night, we have four days left before parity without any ties.

9 people - 2 wolves 7 villagers

7 people - 2 wolves 5 villagers

5 people - 2 wolves 3 villagers

Anyone advocating a TIE before the final day is a wolf. Lynch them. A TIE would not be beneficial until the last day. The only way a TIE would be good for the village is if a Wolf were included in the TIE, and we've no way of knowing if we're lynching a wolf.



Now, if we were to lynch one wolf, this would extend the game at least one day.

Best case scenario:

marty is the wolf is lynched today. Euro the villager is hunted.

You can then go lynch those that supported marty. I would start with randakar.

EDIT: @ marty: randakar.
 

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No thanks.
So you just refuse to consider my defense?
What sort of attitude is that for a villager?
We have room for trial and error. If you're not a wolf, we lynch someone else tomorrow. If you are a wolf, I can stop worrying about this game cause you'll hunt me tonight.
Oh please, thats pathetic, you always say you will be hunted, yet you never are, and why would I hunt you, whens the last time you've caught a wolf by analysis

And another thing, if you are convinced I am a wolf, why did you not try to lynch me yesterday, over OY, who was clearly a villager?
The evidence you are using against me was here yesterday as well, yet you chose to ignore it, why?

Quite simply, to keep enough suspects alive to reach parity, if you lynched all the most suspicious ones eventually the village would turn on you



Notice Cymsdale being convinced of EURO being a wolf about 20 minutes ago, yet he changes to me now, (I think we can all agree me and EURO are not packmates) either Cymsdale is a wolf or he really does have some grudge against me




Lynch EURO tomorrow when I am shown to be a villager, if everything I have posted in my defense, where Nautilu et all have posted none, is not enough to convince you then nothing can, I will go now and accept my fate

And EUROO7, if you are a villager then you are a retard, I really mean this
 

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marty99 (4) - Nautilu (736), EURO (744), syber_sid (745), Cymsdale (752)
Nautilu (3) - marty99 (694), snoopdogg (731), trespoe (733)
randakar (1) - tornadoli (698)
EURO (1) - randakar (725)

48 minutes until DEAD-line
 

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I'm going to go through with several scenarios right now:
Really?
I only saw one scenario, and that conveniently involved me being a wolf

Be weary however, because dead villagers are not always right.
Look, he is setting his case for tomorrow, he appears to know I am a wolf yet he warns against trusting dead villagers, as once I am dead he knows the heat will be on him



One thing however, don't bandwagon EURO tomorrow, keep a close race between him and Nautilu, who are the most probably wolves right now IMHO
 

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Your logic makes perfect sense only if you buy into the premise that a wolf would never vote for his packmate.
A wolf would almost never vote a packmate to put him in unnecessary danger, and all the votes against me have almost killed me, my hypothetical packmates could have been playing a risky game, but you would assume those people the wolves didn't try to kill are their most likely packmates
 

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Unvote EUROO7
Vote Nautilu


And someone better break this tie before the deadline.
 

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Oh look, you two fit perfectly now.
 

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Notice Cymsdale being convinced of EURO being a wolf about 20 minutes ago, yet he changes to me now, (I think we can all agree me and EURO are not packmates) either Cymsdale is a wolf or he really does have some grudge against me

I don't have a grudge against you. I don't even know you. I wish you'd stop saying that every time I suspect you.

EURO has never left my suspect list, he was on it the moment SPLIT turned out to be a villager, I just believe it's prudent to make his lynching last because it's too difficult to convince the village to lynch him.

My biggest fear is that BOTH you are EURO are wolves, because he's going to be extra hard to lynch after that kind of reveal tonight.

The best result for the village is that you are absolutely correct in your suspicion of EURO and nautilu, your death will give the credibility needed in order to make that lynching happen. So if you really are a villager, and you really care about the future of the village, and you really trust your analysis - shouldn't you take one for the team?
 

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Really?
I only saw one scenario, and that conveniently involved me being a wolf

No. There were two. The first was in case you're a villager. If you are, then we have scenarion one go through, where the village keeps lynching villagers (because I'll be lynhced next if you're a villager. ;))

Scenario two is the one where we find a wolf. You might be that wolf.
 

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I don't care if I look suspicious. I don't care if you lynch me. I will either get the wolves hanged or die trying.

Maybe this is a stupid vote - it's very well possible, in fact - but if I don't follow my own instincts and let you dictate who I vote there is no point for me to be playing this game at all.
 

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I don't care if I look suspicious. I don't care if you lynch me. I will either get the wolves hanged or die trying.

Maybe this is a stupid vote - it's very well possible, in fact - but if I don't follow my own instincts and let you dictate who I vote there is no point for me to be playing this game at all.
I know. I'm not telling you who to vote, I'm telling you who I think is most suspicious. It's your choice if you agree with me or not. I don't expect everyone to agree.
 

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I know. I'm not telling you who to vote, I'm telling you who I think is most suspicious. It's your choice if you agree with me or not. I don't expect everyone to agree.

You just make it happen anyway ;-)

Honestly, if you are playing the game I think you are playing then all I can say is "well played, sir" and take off my hat for a very clever wolf.

If you aren't a wolf then you must be just as clueless as all the other villagers and that would mean you were a mere mortal, not the EUROO7 that we all know and love.

Therefore, you must be a wolf :p
 

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Well I think Randakar's vote will only look suspicious if neither is a wolf. I highly doubt that will be true. Despite EURO's insistence that anyone advocating a tie should be lynched next, I'm going to stick my neck out and say this tie should be kept.

If Nautilu ends up being the wolf, we lynch EURO next. If Marty ends up being the wolf, I have no idea in hell what we should do.
 

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Why?
Marty has been run up for 2 of the 3 days so far, whereas you, trespoe, and Radnakar have received virtually no votes

After this:

Unofficial Preliminary Ballot Tabulation

Approximately two hours and thirty minutes to deadline

Leaders underlined
OrangeYoshi - 4; Rysz, jonti-h, trespoe, Cymsdale
Snoopdogg - 3; AOK.11, marty99, Randakar
Rysz - 2; Jacob lundgren, THE_SPLIT
EUROO7 - 2; Orago, Tornadoli
marty99; Walrus,
jonti-h Snoopdogg
Tornadoli; EUROO7
THE_SPLIT OrangeYoshi

No vote: Nautilu

Note: I am not counting Nautilu's vote on Randakar as it was not bolded,

Everyone else has voted, and we can still gain info from Nautilu's post even if it isn't counted, lets just see where this takes us

there were these two:

How about trespoe?

UNVOTE Snoop
VOTE trespoe

Unvote jonti-h. Vote trespoe.

till this..
OY (4) - Rysz (109), jonti (131), Cymsdale (156), Nautilu (161)
rysz (2) - J-L (112), THE_SPLIT (146)
EURO (3) - Orago (129), Tornadoli (133), walrus (160)
tornadoli (1) - EURO (134)
snoop (5) - marty99, randakar (153), OY (158), trespoe (173), AOK (177)
trespoe (2) - snoop (165)

no one followed AOK's voting except Snoop. AOK later changed Snoop when he got run up.

Snoop is a likely villager, also. So I would have him and Euro as villagers.

I was tied w/ Rysz, but way behind OY, Snoop, and even Euro.

Radnakar has had votes on him, also. Just not that day.