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Tamius and Lemeard in the same game... I'm gonna need more popcorn!

.. right.
Tamius isn't playing though. This was Lemeard's doing.

How is that revenge, what's going to happen to marty and why oh why shouldn't we lynch you for attempting a three-way with that sneaky font of yours?

Oh right, that's your thing.

I've let him get away with it one game before, and regretted it.
I won't make that mistake again.

Vote Lemeard

I hate running you up so soon, but the whole tie addiction thing is just too convenient a cover.

I find the late swing on reis interesting. You couldn't have been protecting the two lynched villagers and the only one even slightly in danger was Suirantes, but with half an hour remaining, why couldn't you(Seen and you, Lemeard) just vote Nautilu or Kiwi? And now you're voting Seen, with whom you've voted just an hour before...

Voting 'with' people is almost never a good indicator of wolfishness. Good wolves spread out their votes anyway, and only use the voting block power when it happens to be convenient.

It is interesting, but not for the reasons you think. Yes, it would make for great alibi voting, but it could also make for an easy scapegoat. It's a tactic I've employed some times, as a wolf, to do fake alibi votes on someone, so that it looks like I'm alibi'ing on them.

As a wolf you don't really want your vote to stick on villagers that get lynched too much. It makes you look suspicious. So wolves voting third party in this situation makes sense.
If you're good, the people voting you look like good candidates. If you're not, however ..

I'm going to vote Yakman, for ganging up on Kiwi early in the day

Vote Yakman

You don't have much to say yet, do you?

vote randy

Analyse, damnit.

Pft.
I am tempted to say "no", now, but .. meh. Post's already written :p

Say after me:

Vote Marty99

Vote Lemeard !
(yeah, yeah, I had already voted you ..)

You know, I really like 'verdana' as a font. Makes my posts easy ..
 

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your arguments make sense.

Then again, i still have no idea what i'm doing :D

Vote Lemeard
 

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Can we have a votecount, pretty please?
 

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Hmm, three votes for Lem in succession, there's got to be a wolf in them.

Randy gave an explanation, Bezulba is a nab, so guess who gets my vote ^^

Vote Suirantes
 

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Hmm, three votes for Lem in succession, there's got to be a wolf in them.

Randy gave an explanation, Bezulba is a nab, so guess who gets my vote ^^

Vote Suirantes

What about the Yakman wagon? Tt died? I think we should run Yakman up too, to see if there's anything to it.

unvote Boris
vote Yakman


3/3? Can we get a count to confirm?
 

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VOTE REIS91

for voting for me. i am a villager, not a wolf.

i was not able to particpate yesterday. i will read thread and see if the above vote needs to be changed in a few hours.
 

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What about the Yakman wagon? Tt died? I think we should run Yakman up too, to see if there's anything to it.

unvote Boris
vote Yakman


3/3? Can we get a count to confirm?

What's the case against him again? He put the second vote on Kiwi? That's a pretty lame reason. Heck, out of those two, I'd rather just kill Lemeard.
 

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What's the case against him again? He put the second vote on Kiwi? That's a pretty lame reason. Heck, out of those two, I'd rather just kill Lemeard.

Do you want to purposefully misinterpret me? I just asked that someone is ran alongside Lemeard, to prevent hiding in the huge wagon. Yakman would give us some good information, and there's the possibility that he is indeed a wolf. But fine, let's look at other valid choices.

Well, I would say myself, but no, it's usually not a good idea for a village to get rid of reis without solid evidence pointing to him being a baddie. Of course, I never leave such evidence, but that's just a detail. And I am not a wolf.

Marty : no votes are a pain. He's hard to read, and without casting votes it beomes even harder.
Randakar : last vote on Kiwi. Not much effort in analyzing (seriously, in comment to my post you just repeated what I had said, by other words). One of the wagoners on Lemeard, today.
Suirantes : about the same reasons as me, just a bit higher, because of the possibility that the wolves were misled by the first wrong votecount by tamius and would have been happy to see me tied and lynched. It might be more productive to look at Lemeard first, though.
Esemesas and Taiisatai : Well, I admit that I am not the best person to say this, after I too forgot I had already voted, but their invalid vote changes might merit some deeper analysis.
 

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Vote Seen
I seen Seen already :eek: :eek:
(Placeholder becoz I don't want to break the TIE if there is one just yet.
 

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Well, I would say myself, but no, it's usually not a good idea for a village to get rid of reis without solid evidence pointing to him being a baddie. Of course, I never leave such evidence, but that's just a detail. And I am not a wolf.

You have been a villager for so many games now that you're bound to be a wolf at some point :p

Randakar : last vote on Kiwi. Not much effort in analyzing (seriously, in comment to my post you just repeated what I had said, by other words). One of the wagoners on Lemeard, today.

Wow. You say I voted Kiwi, when I actually voted Esemesas and Nautilu (in that order) yesterday.
Nice effort trying to make me look bad. Wolf, much?
edit: I wouldn't vote Kiwi on day one without good reasons. You know that. Or at least, you should.

Suirantes : about the same reasons as me, just a bit higher, because of the possibility that the wolves were misled by the first wrong votecount by tamius and would have been happy to see me tied and lynched. It might be more productive to look at Lemeard first, though.
Esemesas and Taiisatai : Well, I admit that I am not the best person to say this, after I too forgot I had already voted, but their invalid vote changes might merit some deeper analysis.

What it mostly merits is some thought about "would a wolf forget who he voted for?"

Forgetting to unvote isn't a really likely thing for a wolf to do. Most people don't think about their actions that much. Yes, wolves need to think about who they vote for, because they have information. Villagers however usually tend to just throw votes in without a second thought.

Also: Gief count.
 

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You have been a villager for so many games now that you're bound to be a wolf at some point :p



Wow. You say I voted Kiwi, when I actually voted Esemesas and Nautilu (in that order) yesterday.
Nice effort trying to make me look bad. Wolf, much?
edit: I wouldn't vote Kiwi on day one without good reasons. You know that. Or at least, you should.



What it mostly merits is some thought about "would a wolf forget who he voted for?"

Forgetting to unvote isn't a really likely thing for a wolf to do. Most people don't think about their actions that much. Yes, wolves need to think about who they vote for, because they have information. Villagers however usually tend to just throw votes in without a second thought.

Also: Gief count.

you do realise that having been a villager for 20 straight games doesn't alter the chance you will become a wolf the next game right? The exact reason why casino's put up a list of the latest numbers at the roulet table. You can have 20 reds in a row and the next one still has a 49.5% chance to be red.
 

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you do realise that having been a villager for 20 straight games doesn't alter the chance you will become a wolf the next game right? The exact reason why casino's put up a list of the latest numbers at the roulet table. You can have 20 reds in a row and the next one still has a 49.5% chance to be red.

You assume role assignments are independent and random ;)
 

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you do realise that having been a villager for 20 straight games doesn't alter the chance you will become a wolf the next game right? The exact reason why casino's put up a list of the latest numbers at the roulet table. You can have 20 reds in a row and the next one still has a 49.5% chance to be red.

Of course I do. I'm not that bad at math. But ..

You assume role assignments are independent and random ;)

.. especially since reis himself pointed out the previous game that he hasn't been a wolf in a long while. I wouldn't put it past the GM to make him a wolf just to give the man a change of scenery :D
 

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Of course I do. I'm not that bad at math. But ..



.. especially since reis himself pointed out the previous game that he hasn't been a wolf in a long while. I wouldn't put it past the GM to make him a wolf just to give the man a change of scenery :D
but whiners can't be choosers, so meh :p

and i don't really know enough about the selection process to make any sort of judgement whether wolf picking is indeed random :)
 

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Do you want to purposefully misinterpret me? I just asked that someone is ran alongside Lemeard, to prevent hiding in the huge wagon. Yakman would give us some good information, and there's the possibility that he is indeed a wolf. But fine, let's look at other valid choices.

Well, I would say myself, but no, it's usually not a good idea for a village to get rid of reis without solid evidence pointing to him being a baddie. Of course, I never leave such evidence, but that's just a detail. And I am not a wolf.

Marty : no votes are a pain. He's hard to read, and without casting votes it beomes even harder.
Randakar : last vote on Kiwi. Not much effort in analyzing (seriously, in comment to my post you just repeated what I had said, by other words). One of the wagoners on Lemeard, today.
Suirantes : about the same reasons as me, just a bit higher, because of the possibility that the wolves were misled by the first wrong votecount by tamius and would have been happy to see me tied and lynched. It might be more productive to look at Lemeard first, though.
Esemesas and Taiisatai : Well, I admit that I am not the best person to say this, after I too forgot I had already voted, but their invalid vote changes might merit some deeper analysis.

You do realize that was a joke and I wasn't aware that we had a TIE, right?
 

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Wow. You say I voted Kiwi, when I actually voted Esemesas and Nautilu (in that order) yesterday.
Nice effort trying to make me look bad. Wolf, much?
edit: I wouldn't vote Kiwi on day one without good reasons. You know that. Or at least, you should.

Sorry, just woke up. Yes, you voted Nautilu. It's irrelevant anyway whether you voted nautilu or kiwi, since they both turned out villagers.

What it mostly merits is some thought about "would a wolf forget who he voted for?"

Forgetting to unvote isn't a really likely thing for a wolf to do. Most people don't think about their actions that much. Yes, wolves need to think about who they vote for, because they have information. Villagers however usually tend to just throw votes in without a second thought.

BS. Villagers who do that are the main reason behind countless village fails.

Also: Gief count.

This.
 

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.. especially since reis himself pointed out the previous game that he hasn't been a wolf in a long while. I wouldn't put it past the GM to make him a wolf just to give the man a change of scenery :D

Somehow, I saw this coming a long time ago... I think I referred to it in the last game as "the statistical argument for lynching reis on day 1". Well, should I be pleased that I wasn't lynched on day 1, at least?

Also, in my defense, even though I complained about that, I don't mind being a villager at all, provided the village is decent. I prefer villager to Seer anyway. And, most importantly, I mentioned somewhere, after OY made a remark about GM's needing to know the players, that it was probably the reason I got so many villager roles in a row, so I would not have asked tamius to make me a wolf, as I am not that hypocrite. (of course, it doesn't rule out tamius doing it "for kindness", but thankfully, he did not. Last thing I need is GM pity.

Mmm, this exchange looks eerily like a fake, staged, discussion. What games are you playing, randy?
 
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