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I know, but just out of curiosity, wasn't it clear that we already knew who the remaining wolves were and so didn't need to draw them out? I'm sure I indicated that somehow.
Well if they don't, they should.
The fact that you had picked all three of us out certainly made it likely, but there was still a chance that it was simply a somewhat lucky guess and you wanted to goad us into surrendering. I had been reasonably sure (wrongly) that we had hunted a few JL members, so I didn't expect all the surviving villagers to be in the JL.
We did not imagine you to be doing what you were doing because what you were doing was unimaginable.
It's like madchemist said. RP reason is good enough for day one (heck, I picked Wagonlitz due to him being Comrade Sta.... Napoleon himself) but you didn't simply vote him, you put him into 2-vote lead. There's nothing wrong in 2-vote lead if you have good enough reason for it. RP isn't one of them, though...
Honestly, is there somebody who does not use it?
You just don't have kinky enough imagination.
Thank the two of you. I guess I will learn, with time.
Actually, I don't think it was really that bad. Putting somebody two votes up with three players left to vote? If somebody wants to make it close it would be simple to do so.
I partly agree with Rovsea here. Established doctrine says it's bad, but sometimes I believe putting someone out significantly in front, if there are enough people left to vote and enough time until deadline, is not only fine but perhaps maybe even beneficial. Because the bandwagon won't continue indefinitely, and other candidates will be brought forward, and so the markedly different texture of the voting could make it harder for the wolves as it's not a situation they're used to handling. If every voting race is just, vote a vote b vote c vote b vote c vote a, etc, continually edging two or three people up alongside each other, wolves eventually get used to that and will know more or less what to do if they have a packmate in the running. But if we introduce more asymmetric vote races, maybe not so.
As long as the vote race ends up being tight, and not too spread out (lots of throwaways) at the deadline, then anything else that happens in-between is perhaps not in and of itself always consequential.*
Just a theory that came to my head late last night.
*I'm not saying that people who bandwagon aren't good targets, btw. As long as the old paradigm holds, and I doubt it will ever be overturned, then they still are. But am I saying is that perhaps early bandwagoning, while bad for that person's future credibility, may end up not being so terrible for the actual voting record.
However, also bear in mind that you have to master the rules before you can break them.
As long as the vote race ends up being tight, and not too spread out (lots of throwaways) at the deadline, then anything else that happens in-between is perhaps not in and of itself always consequential.*
Just a theory that came to my head late last night.
*I'm not saying that people who bandwagon aren't good targets, btw. As long as the old paradigm holds, and I doubt it will ever be overturned, then they still are. But am I saying is that perhaps early bandwagoning, while bad for that person's future credibility, may end up not being so terrible for the actual voting record.
However, also bear in mind that you have to master the rules before you can break them.
That, and the most of the non-voters were pretty good players. I don't think that K-59 or Jonti-h would bandwagon as villagers on day one.
Marty has a point. However, since they both are new players I thought it prudent to warn against such behaviour since it's better to understand where the aversion to bandwagoning comes from before they can attempt to deviate from the trodden path. On the other hand it's not that great thing to say "non-voters will fix it" since the assumption would be that rest would make the voting ok. Taken into extreme you could have, say, 6 votes on one person and then say "look, 10 haven't voted yet, it's not bandwagon".
I know, hence this addendum:Marty has a point. However, since they both are new players I thought it prudent to warn against such behaviour since it's better to understand where the aversion to bandwagoning comes from before they can attempt to deviate from the trodden path. On the other hand it's not that great thing to say "non-voters will fix it" since the assumption would be that rest would make the voting ok. Taken into extreme you could have, say, 6 votes on one person and then say "look, 10 haven't voted yet, it's not bandwagon".
"However, also bear in mind that you have to master the rules before you can break them. "
But I should be more explicit, in fact:
Newbies, IGNORE WHAT I JUST SAID. FOR EXPERIENCED WEREWOLF PLAYERS ONLY!
That may seem a tiny bit elitist, but it's for a good cause.
I consider Plank of Wood's statement to be a partial admission that he voted on the bandwagon in order to not look suspicious.
Now, I'm not saying that makes him a slam dunk wolf case, but it raises my suspicion of him.
Also, I consider it somewhat of a tell to defensively react to a single vote against you.
Now, I'm not saying that makes him a slam dunk wolf case, but it raises my suspicion of him.
Also, I consider it somewhat of a tell to defensively react to a single vote against you.
Anyone who does otherwise is a fool. I remember when they had different skins for different forums. That Victoria maroon properly burned my eyes.
Oh, I understand that, and If Wagon still had five or six votes on him (he now has three), I probably would have switched my vote onto, say, Snoopdogg. As it is, we have a three way TIE (which I fully expect will be broken), and most of these votes are throw away anyway. It's good that you're pointing out the potential negative connotation that bandwagoning can have to new players, but on day one this debate serves little other purpose.Marty has a point. However, since they both are new players I thought it prudent to warn against such behaviour since it's better to understand where the aversion to bandwagoning comes from before they can attempt to deviate from the trodden path. On the other hand it's not that great thing to say "non-voters will fix it" since the assumption would be that rest would make the voting ok. Taken into extreme you could have, say, 6 votes on one person and then say "look, 10 haven't voted yet, it's not bandwagon".
Don't you dare say anything negative about Victoria!
It also serves the purpose of having something to do and discuss.
I use DBE on my laptop, but WotR on my phone, for the specific purpose of preventing anyone from hiding text from me :ninja:
3-way tie indeed if my count is right.
Wagonlitz: 3
madchemist [155]
Gen. Skobelev [159]
Emperor_krk [172]
Chieron: 3
Wagonlitz [156]
Rovsea [160]
Chieron [177]
marty99: 3
Arkasas [176]
snoopdogg [161 marty99 -> 183 Chieron -> 186]
jonti-h [220]
snoopdogg: 2
marty99 [153]
THE_SPLIT [169]
Plank of Wood: 2
Cymsdale [171 Wagonlitz -> 200]
k-59 [205]
Cymsdale: 1
alxeu [167]
Rovsea: 1
aedan777 [188 marty99 -> 188]
aedan777: 1
Plank of Wood [199 Wagonlitz -> 209]
not voted: 0
Wagonlitz: 3
madchemist [155]
Gen. Skobelev [159]
Emperor_krk [172]
Chieron: 3
Wagonlitz [156]
Rovsea [160]
Chieron [177]
marty99: 3
Arkasas [176]
snoopdogg [161 marty99 -> 183 Chieron -> 186]
jonti-h [220]
snoopdogg: 2
marty99 [153]
THE_SPLIT [169]
Plank of Wood: 2
Cymsdale [171 Wagonlitz -> 200]
k-59 [205]
Cymsdale: 1
alxeu [167]
Rovsea: 1
aedan777 [188 marty99 -> 188]
aedan777: 1
Plank of Wood [199 Wagonlitz -> 209]
not voted: 0
I don't believe that Chieron is voting himself. I'm pretty sure that he is, instead, voting Snoopdogg.