Werewolf Lite CCV: Invasion Normandy

[Capt. Kiwi]

So we still have a live seer and mouthpiece? And one suspicious player is gone? That's a good result, except for Boris.

Night 0

Hunted: drxav

Day 1

(6) Capt. Kiwi - Najs, Falc, jacob-Lundgren, Eternaly_Lost, EUROO7, tamius23
(1) EUROO7 - hebelecan
(7) tamius23 - Lord Strange, marty99, joebthegreat, trespoe, Capt. Kiwi, Kingepyon, esemesas
(1) Falc - Boris ze Spider
(1) marty99 - Rysz

Hunted: Falc

Day 2

(3) Lord Strange - hebelecan, Eternaly_Lost, marty99
(1) marty99 - jacob-Lundgren
(6) jacob-Lundgren - trespoe, Kingepyon, esemesas, joebthegreat, Capt. Kiwi, Boris ze Spider
(2) joebthegreat - Rysz, Najs

nv: Lord Strange, EUROO7
Hunted: Eternaly_Lost

Day 3

(2) Capt. Kiwi - snoopdogg(LS), hebelecan
(1) Najs - randakar(EURO)
(2) joebthegreat - Rysz, trespoe
(5) trespoe - Kingepyon, joebthegreat, esemesas, Capt. Kiwi, Boris ze Spider
(1) Rysz - marty99
(1) esemesas - Najs

Hunted: marty99

Day 4

(10) randakar(EURO) - Rysz, Boris ze Spider, snoopdogg(LS), joebthegreat, Najs, randakar(EURO), Capt. Kiwi, Kingepyon, hebelecan, esemesas

Hunted: joebthegreat

Day 5

(2) Kingepyon - hebelecan, snoopdogg
(6) hebelecan - Rysz, Kingepyon, Capt. Kiwi, Najs, Boris ze Spider, esemesas

Hunted: Boris ze Spider

 

[marty99]

Well played JL. If you turn this around village, it will be quite the achievement, although I'd be a bit annoyed that I will have played absolutely no part in it.

 

[Capt. Kiwi]

Ok, I'm going to start by assuming that the JL scanned Kingepyon last night, based on Rysz's comments. If so, he's either a wolf, in which case today's coversation is all a moot point, or he's not, in which case it's interesting and useful. So let's also assume the JL can confirm Kingepyon's innocence.

That leaves snoopdogg(LS), myself, Najs and esemesas, of whom two would be wolves.

Case 1 - CAWZ!

snoopdogg(LS) has been so uninvolved that we can't rule either way, so I'm going to call him a wolf for now. Who does that leave as the last wolf?

My snipe on day two protected both LS and joeb. Now we know joeb is innocent, but we're presuming snoopdogg/LS isn't, so it's certainly conceivable I was a wolf. A really stupid one, if that's true. EURO was riding me really hard on day one, and would have got me lynched if it weren't for esemesas and Kingepyon. There are too many players there for it to be a grand scheme (no room for any more wolves in it), and I understand someone (esemesas?) said that it's not EURO's style to do that. I don't know about that, but if he did I would have just taken the perfect cover and thrown it away to protect someone. Not a good move. But possible.

What about esemesas? He votes alongsinde LS in the first round, and unvotes LS to the eventual lynchee jL not long before the deadline (but long enough to get forgotten amongst the sniping). Boris even calls him on it as wolf activity. He's at it again the next day, playing with ties and vote switches which eventually lead to a complete mess of a situation. If it's a randakar-snoopdogg-hebelecan-esemesas pack, none of them are risk, and he's just "innocently" making ties as he triggers a whole lot of sniping madness. It's possible. And I seem to have been recalling comments from esemesas a lot... Distractions? Or just genuine efforts?

So could Najs be a LS ally? He didn't vote with him the first day, but neither did EURO. He stayed out of the day two sniping, but if he's a wolf he probably didn't want to get involved, and already had a vote on potential lynchee joeb. Day 3 he and randakar have a bit of a banter about randakar's strange vote on him rather than me or the other vote candidate trespoe, but wolves don't have to ignore each other. Najs himself gets out of the snipe business of the leaders and votes a complete different target, esemesas. That was never going to get him, and if both trespoe and I were innocent then he didn't care which way it went - and a tie would be all the better. Still, my wolfdar has never really pinged for him.

Conclusion? If snoopdogg is a wolf, then esemesas and I make good final targets. Najs could be, but my wolfdar just ain't pinging him. That isn't great, because I shouldn't be going off gut feeling. So please correct me if you disagree.

Is snoopdogg/LS actually a wolf? Based on what he's actually done himself, it would be all about CAWZ. He wasn't even here to swap vote to the outing today. Day two could certainly be implied as protecting him, although in a sloppy manner. hebelecan could have moved off him onto marty or jL or joeb much earlier, and eased suspicion. Still, it's possible. hebelecan already voted on one proven wolf rather carelessly, but to do it twice... Or if it's me as well as LS, thrice... That would be careless, voting all of your pack members.

Next time, on Kiwi talk z: What if snoopdogg isn't a canine?

 

[Rysz]

I'm still amazed to find myself wake up in the morning and not seeing St. Peter

 

[Najs]

Right. We have two cowards left now. If we're lucky our (now slightly less incompetent) seer just found us another one, but we cannot take anything for granted. Remember, we have already sunk the worst of them. Remaining are wolves of such incredible cunning that they could literally be anyone among us (except for Rysz, the seer and anyone scanned by the seer).

The wolves did us a favour by hunting Boris. It could have been better, yes. They could have killed the Kiwi. But they wouldn't kill the single most suspicious player in the game, would they? Esemesas is still alive as well. Not to be forgotten, although I believe his primary crime was the three-way tie. We need better targets and we need them now. Kiwi, if you are a villager, show that you are the best of us and root out the evil among our brave squad. If you are a coward, please kill your mate and roll over and die.

Hebelecan voted Kingepyon yesterday, before being outed. Sure, he might have suspected that a scan was coming but he could still have started something on Kingepyon. This indicates that they aren't packmates. On the other hand my wolf-votes-wolf theory was just proved true and Hebel had a really lame reason for voting King (Quiet=Wolf? Well that fits well in on you too hebel. It's a shame you're already dead.), something that could indicate that he was simply trying to keep on laying low, hoping for the village to self-destruct before his eyes. Not gonna happen mate. At least not yesterday. Funny thing is that our sexy shirtless soldier snoopdogg has shown a surprising correlation with hebelecan. On both days 3 and 4 he voted alongside his potential packmate, constantly claiming to not be a wolf.

Gentlemen. Four men stand before us. Kiwi. Snoop. Ese. King. Two of them are cowards and should be shot at sight. King will have to be left alone for now, as he has a minimal alibi. Kiwi, snoop and ese remains then. I think it's time we do what we ought to have done a long time ago. We will blow the Kiwi out of the sky. Men, fetch the Flak. 88. I'm going bird hunting. It's time we expose Private Public to the audience. All of him. Even the guts. Unless he lacks them, which looks like a real possibility.

Vote Kiwi

 

[Vainglory]

 

[Capt. Kiwi]

Kiwi don't fly, so you might find it easier to blast me into the sky. However, I have already filed part one of my analysis. Part two will follow... probably tomorrow, being 0122 here. Please comment as you see fit.

 

[Capt. Kiwi]

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It always annoys me that the right leg doesn't join the body. Pet peeve, I guess.

 

[Rysz]

GM: Did you send Snoop his role PM before you subbed him with Kingepyon on the zeroth night? Or did that PM never reach him because his inbox was full?

 

[Vainglory]

GM: Did you send Snoop his role PM before you subbed him with Kingepyon on the zeroth night? Or did that PM never reach him because his inbox was full?

His inbox was clear when I subbed him in. If it wasn't I'd have moved to the next guy on the list.

 

[Capt. Kiwi]

His inbox was clear when I subbed him in. If it wasn't I'd have moved to the next guy on the list.

But did he get the PM with the role that eventually went to Kingepyon? That would skew everything.

 

[Vainglory]

But did he get the PM with the role that eventually went to Kingepyon? That would skew everything.

I answered Rysz's question obliquely to avoid revealing meta-information... but re-reading Rysz's question I see I misinterpreted him.

No, Snoopdogg is not aware of Kingepyon's role (I use the term to mean seer, wolf, and villager, not just the former two so you cannot infer anything from that statement. Furthermore all three roles got a role PM, even villagers, contrary to usual Big procedure. Again, this is so no one can make an inferences from anything) precisely because I couldn't contact him to begin with.

 

[Najs]

Fudge. My analysis forgot loads of important stuff. I'll return later and redo everything.

 

[Rysz]

Ok. That's good, just wanted to be absolutely clear that snoop had no information prior to subbing in for LS.

 

[hebelecan]

Go team wolf !

Remember, if you guys manage to lynch a goodie, you win tonight !

 

[Vainglory]

I can see why you'd want to know, but even if I had made that mistake, I think it's too late to do anything. Either I leave Snoop in the game or autolynch him.

There are many permutations of Snoop and Kingepyon's respective roles, and some combinations of them skew the outcome worse than others. But the worst screw up would be if I autolynched Snoop. It would be best just to leave him in and let everyone "play it as it lies".

Fortunately, Snoop did not get the PM originally intended for him. Consequently if he knows Kingepyon's role, it's only through legitimate means, i.e. if he's JL or seer, or if they were packmates.

In future I would avoid answering any questions of this type for the reason mentioned in the previous post.

 

[Rysz]

I can see why you'd want to know, but even if I had made that mistake, I think it's too late to do anything. Either I leave Snoop in the game or autolynch him.

There are many permutations of Snoop and Kingepyon's respective roles, and some combinations of them skew the outcome worse than others. But the worst screw up would be if I autolynched Snoop. It would be best just to leave him in and let everyone "play it as it lies".

Fortunately, Snoop did not get the PM originally intended for him. Consequently if he knows Kingepyon's role, it's only through legitimate means, i.e. if he's JL or seer, or if they were packmates.

In future I would avoid answering any questions of this type for the reason mentioned in the previous post.

Seriously, haven't you read my PM? I would seriously advise you to shut up fast now, before you do say something that spills the beans. And yes, you should answer, precise and to the point, a question like I asked, not because that it would be impossible to solve, but because it actually means a broken game. You can't solve a situation that is already screwed. If Snoop got the first role-PM, the screw-up took place when you let him back in, regardless what his role or who was already dead. Only in his own role (that is: if he subbed back in for Kingepyon) could he then come back in the game.

 

[Vainglory]

Seriously, haven't you read my PM? I would seriously advise you to shut up fast now, before you do say something that spills the beans. And yes, you should answer, precise and to the point, a question like I asked, not because that it would be impossible to solve, but because it actually means a broken game. You can't solve a situation that is already screwed. If Snoop got the first role-PM, the screw-up took place when you let him back in, regardless what his role or who was already dead. Only in his own role (that is: if he subbed back in for Kingepyon) could he then come back in the game.

Calm down. You're being rude and it's not helping the situation at all.

There was no reason to ask the question in the first place. Nothing could be done even had the mistake been made. There are three ways to react if the mistake has been made: end the game, screw it up more by autolynching, or just let it continue. There's no point taking the second option which means A or B. Most people would prefer to play it out anyway, which means all you achieve by asking is compounding that mistake by making everyone aware of it and all the implications.

Fortunately no mistake was made and you never had a reason to ask. I should have given you the reply that initially came to mind, but that I dismissed as rude: "Do not question the GM." Now you've got your answer and you're being rude to me, largely because you've inferred something from my statement that you shouldn't have.

You asked whether Snoop got the original PM before Kingepyon subbed for him. I gave you the answer: he didn't. You have chosen to make an inference that you shouldn't. My answer to your question was given regarding your question. You chose to interpret it as meaning something else. It did not. I've previously warned against drawing conclusions from my statements, but you did exactly that then went off at me for it.

The only thing you know for a fact that you didn't before you asked the question is that I did not send Snoop the role PM for Kingepyon. In future I won't answer such questions, but nonetheless, you've got your answer. Nothing more, nothing less. Please stop hectoring me now.

 

[drxav]

Calm down. You're being rude and it's not helping the situation at all.

*smirkes a little.

 

[Vainglory]

*smirkes a little.

Silence, you cheese eating surrender monkey!