Werewolf Lite CCLXVI - Death of a Werewolf, or: how to needlessly beat a dead horse

[tonkatoy5]

Thank you. I do try my best


EDIT: More seriously, why do you suspect me? Because something tells me it's just paranoia, that always attaches itself on the most active player.
Still making my mind up on whom to vote, but I have a pretty firm idea so far.

I'm surprised citizen is throwing aedan under the bus, I find that weird and it makes me want to second guess, perhaps, we should lynch someone whom we all forgot was in the game...

Rascar Capac Perhaps?

also really just a gut feeling that in case you are a wolf I can be like i always knew even though it was just a guess.

 

[marty99]

Tonkatoy5 you're dead, I just realised.

So, insightful as it may or may not be, I can't really use your analysis in good conscience. I'm not sure what Kiwi'sresponse will be but he may ask you to remove it so I don't want to have access to any information that the rest doesn't.

also really just a gut feeling that in case you are a wolf I can be like i always knew even though it was just a guess.

I thought so

 

[tonkatoy5]

Tonkatoy5 you're dead, I just realised.

tonkatoy is subbing in for Adamus.

I have come back comrade so that we may save this game!

 

[marty99]

If you guys lynch me the game is over, so that's a bad plan. If you really have to lynch me lynch someone else too, like aedan. Cause apparently saying I wasn't convinced of his wolfishness is what got me into this mess. See I'm fine with being out of this messy game if it helps my fellow villagers figure things out. The problem is that at this stage we can only afford one more villager lynch, and only that if it's in a tie.

@Marty, when analyzing my behavior why not go back and look at other games where I've tried to stop certain lynches by publicly stating I didn't think that person was a wolf. Measuring everyone to the same wolf standard is not helpful. By know you should be able to say citizen usually does.... when .... In the same way I know that you will post walls of text, whether you're a wolf, spy, or goodie. Thus Marty walls of text aren't in and of themselves signs of any particular role.

I still haven't said you were my highest suspect, and in fact I'll tell you right now you aren't. But you can't deny that the day 3 vote switch would look incredibly suspicious to a passive observer.

 

[marty99]

I have come back comrade so that we may save this game!

Oh goodie!

I'm surprised citizen is throwing aedan under the bus, I find that weird and it makes me want to second guess, perhaps, we should lynch someone whom we all forgot was in the game...

Rascar Capac Perhaps?

also really just a gut feeling that in case you are a wolf I can be like i always knew even though it was just a guess.

Firstly, citizen hasn't thrown aedan under the bus. He has suggested voting for him, but only as an alternative to himself. He himself hasn't voted aedan, you will note.
Secondly, given how aedan is the most likely suspect for a lot of people, even if they are packmates citizen could still feel the need to throw him under the bus.

Thirdly, he is suggesting a tie between himself and aedan, and as you know in a tie situation the wolves can simply switch to the villager, and if both are wolves, thevillage's 6 votes, if making 3-3 tie, mean the wolves, if they all switch, will have 4 votes on a third party and get him lynched, and win the game.

Lastly, aedan and citizen do not both have to be wolves. I'm getting a vibe of citizen as an innocent villager taken for a ride.

Therefore, I don't think citizen's post really changes anything significantly.


Rascar Capac has flew completely under my radar. If he's a wolf, well played, but I haven't been able to get a read on him. What are your thoughts?

 

[tonkatoy5]

Oh goodie!


Firstly, citizen hasn't thrown aedan under the bus. He has suggested voting for him, but only as an alternative to himself. He himself hasn't voted aedan, you will note.
Secondly, given how aedan is the most likely suspect for a lot of people, even if they are packmates citizen could still feel the need to throw him under the bus.

Thirdly, he is suggesting a tie between himself and aedan, and as you know in a tie situation the wolves can simply switch to the villager, and if both are wolves, thevillage's 6 votes, if making 3-3 tie, mean the wolves, if they all switch, will have 4 votes on a third party and get him lynched, and win the game.

Secondly, aedan and citizen do not both have to be wolves. I'm getting a vibe of citizen as an innocent villager taken for a ride.


Rascar Capac has flew completely under my radar. If he's a wolf, well played, but I haven't been able to get a read on him. What are your thoughts?

Same exact thing for Rascar its like he hasn't been in the game to me.

To the citizen thing you make a valid point, I think he or Aedan are both good choices, though I"m still uncomfortable with voting them

 

[tonkatoy5]

unvote Citizen
Vote Aedan

Lets do it Marty!

 

[THE_SPLIT]

Vote Aedan

 

[aedan777]

I'm curious. Why do you all think I am a wolf? The only reason ever given is that I put out a random vote right after Kiwi took over, even though I said I would change it. That is literally the only thing you have ever used against me and it has snowballed into "Aedan's probably a wolf". There is no evidence to support the idea that I am a wolf and if we kill a villager today we lose. Which quite frankly I'm looking forward to. This game has been a mess and no one is even trying to analysis the votes.
Vote Aedan
in the effort to end this game as fast as possible.

 

[marty99]

I'm curious. Why do you all think I am a wolf? The only reason ever given is that I put out a random vote right after Kiwi took over, even though I said I would change it. That is literally the only thing you have ever used against me and it has snowballed into "Aedan's probably a wolf". There is no evidence to support the idea that I am a wolf and if we kill a villager today we lose. Which quite frankly I'm looking forward to. This game has been a mess and no one is even trying to analysis the votes.
Vote Aedan
in the effort to end this game as fast as possible.

That's not the reason at all! You being run up in the first place...completely random, and unfortunate from your perspective. You didn't do anything wrong as far as I can see up to that point.

The suspicious part was the way you were saved by the abrupt vote-switch to pjnsln. If you do turn out to be a wolf, tomorrow we will look at Rascar Capac, tamius23, Citizen1oo1 and son of liberty, more or less in that order.
I know it's not a lot, and if you are actually a villager, I'm sorry as you yourself haven't played badly, but this is the only evidence we have, and it is reasonably strong.

Vote Aedan777

 

[son of liberty]

Unofficial Count. Use at own risk

(6) aedan777 - The Arch Mede (311), son of liberty (314), tonkatoy5 (329), THE_SPLIT (330), aedan777 (331), marty99 (332),

(1) the arach mede - Citizen1oo1 (309),

Not yet voted: Rascar Capac (), tamius23 (), Cliges ()

 

[tamius23]

I can't see aedan being a wolf, especially since he's voting for himself. Also, since we know there are 4 wolves, anywhere between one and four of them are voting for him.

In an attempt to be a dissenting voice I'll

vote marty

owing to the fact that if he's a villager he ought to be dead by now.

 

[son of liberty]

Unofficial Count. Use at own risk

(6) aedan777 - The Arch Mede (311), son of liberty (314), tonkatoy5 (329), THE_SPLIT (330), aedan777 (331), marty99 (332),

(1) the arach mede - Citizen1oo1 (309),
(1) Marty99 - tamius23 (334),

Not yet voted: Rascar Capac (), Cliges ()

 

[marty99]

I can't see aedan being a wolf, especially since he's voting for himself. Also, since we know there are 4 wolves, anywhere between one and four of them are voting for him.

In an attempt to be a dissenting voice I'll

vote marty

owing to the fact that if he's a villager he ought to be dead by now.

Oh, great. :rofl: So any game in which I'm alive after a couple of days I must be a wolf, and so must be lynched? That's fair :'( How am I ever supposed to, you know, not get killed?

On the positive side, we do have some building evidence of a pack here It seems a little too obvious to be true, but on the other hand, the wolves have had nothing to do so far and I expect that combined with the fact there is no seer possible has made them complacent. At least, I hope.

 

[Rascar Capac]

I'm surprised citizen is throwing aedan under the bus, I find that weird and it makes me want to second guess, perhaps, we should lynch someone whom we all forgot was in the game...

Rascar Capac Perhaps?

also really just a gut feeling that in case you are a wolf I can be like i always knew even though it was just a guess.

Rascar Capac has flew completely under my radar. If he's a wolf, well played, but I haven't been able to get a read on him. What are your thoughts?

Same exact thing for Rascar its like he hasn't been in the game to me.

. . .thank you both, really. Am I that unnoticeable? This is gonna hurt my fragile self-confidence.

I'll make it up to you being more active for the rest of the game. It seems like aedan will be lynched no matter what, and since I'm the next one in the proscription list, might as well go against the current.

vote marty

 

[marty99]

Oh wow. Have the wolves just decided to commit suicide or something? :rofl:
I admire your loyalty to your packmate, Rascar (and I'm now fairly sure Aedan777 must be a wolf, nothing else makes any sense at all) but you will learn in time that sometimes you just have to let go. You could have simply voted aedan777, and tomorrow made sure a villager was lynched. Now, the entire wolfpack may just have thrown away the game.


This is pretty incredible. The only 3 players not voting aedan are the same ones who saved him by switching to pjnsln yesterday. (SoL also voted pjnsln, but at a later date and I think his reason was to break a tie: he's a fairly strong suspect too, but the distinction is important)

(5) pjnlsn - Rascar Capac (259), aedan777 (223, 248, 260), tamius23 (245, 263), Citizen1oo1 (233), son of liberty (227, 242, 286, 297)

 

[tamius23]

Oh, great. :rofl: So any game in which I'm alive after a couple of days I must be a wolf, and so must be lynched? That's fair :'( How am I ever supposed to, you know, not get killed?

Yes, that hunt:lynch ratio needs mending: (snaffled from player-history thread)

I actually thought my hunt/lynch (5:1) ratio was even bigger, though

Villager: 16 games, hunted 10 times, lynched 2, Lost 1, Won 3.

Mine, for comparison:

Lynched 8 times
Hunted 13 times
Lost at parity once
Won once (of 22 games)

 

[Rascar Capac]

Oh wow. Have the wolves just decided to commit suicide or something? :rofl:
I admire your loyalty to your packmate, Rascar (and I'm now fairly sure Aedan777 must be a wolf, nothing else makes any sense at all) but you will learn in time that sometimes you just have to let go. You could have simply voted aedan777, and tomorrow made sure a villager was lynched. Now, the entire wolfpack may just have thrown away the game.


This is pretty incredible. The only 3 players not voting aedan are the same ones who saved him by switching to pjnsln yesterday. (SoL also voted pjnsln, but at a later date and I think his reason was to break a tie: he's a fairly strong suspect too, but the distinction is important)

(5) pjnlsn - Rascar Capac (259), aedan777 (223, 248, 260), tamius23 (245, 263), Citizen1oo1 (233), son of liberty (227, 242, 286, 297)

Hm? Your evidence that aedan and tamius are wolves is based purely the fact that they didn't let themselves be killed. True enough, this can be seen as move of the pack, but otherwise, what should they have done? Prove themselves by dying in glorious tie?

As for me, yep, I voted pjnlsn, but simply 'cause he switched in bad time and I was out of clues anyway. Saving aedan? I did such a foolish thing before, here. I'm not doing it twice. I have no idea why citizen and SoL jumped in, but I guess it's their place to answer that.

 

[Cliges]

Vote the arch mede


because if we survive beyond today, it might be nice to have some sort of basis for further analysis.


Another joke

A man walks into a Greek tailor shop with a torn pair of pants.

He hands them to the tailor who says "Euripides?"

"Yes" replies the man. "Eumenides?"

 

[son of liberty]

Unofficial Count. Use at own risk

(6) aedan777 - The Arch Mede (311), son of liberty (314), tonkatoy5 (329), THE_SPLIT (330), aedan777 (331), marty99 (332),

(2) the arach mede - Citizen1oo1 (309), Cliges (341)
(2) Marty99 - tamius23 (334), Rascar Capac (340)

Not yet voted: No one