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I am so sure that Cliges is a wolf that I offer this challenge. Lynch Cliges, if he is not a wolf then lynch me next.
 

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Unvote Euro peein 007, Vote Esemesas

I'm not a wolf, I don't know how you guys even came to that conclusion. It's blatantly obvious that this is a ploy you guys have no evidence to back up your claims about me. Just because I voted Najs doesn't mean that I'm a wolf, all of you did the same and that logic leads to you being just as suspect if that's the only thing you're going on.
 

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And this will give us what 2 dead villagers and 2 hunted villagers?
If I was a wolf, 1 of only 2 remaining, would I go out on a limb like this? Or are you saying that you are sure that I am a villager now? When you examine the evidence I posted, what conclusion do you reach?
 

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If I was a wolf, 1 of only 2 remaining, would I go out on a limb like this? Or are you saying that you are sure that I am a villager now? When you examine the evidence I posted, what conclusion do you reach?
There is only one sane conclusion - based on walls of post you, the lat, and yugo clone posted..... now correct me if I am wrong. 1) Falc was the seer, 2) Falc sends a PM to you, ese (I would actually type ESE - but he is hosting the large game and can kill me off), and Euro. 3)There is at least 1 wolf in that PM. 4) The wolfs do not hunt Falc right away but wait for 1 night. 5) you lied about sending PM to other people to vote najs? Is this correct? I am not blaming you, and not enetering a conversation - I just need yes/no answers to each point above. After we do that I am fairly sure I can give some feedback on who i think the wolfs are....
 

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1) Falc was the seer, Yes

2) Falc sends a PM to you, ese (I would actually type ESE - but he is hosting the large game and can kill me off), and Euro. AFAIK, Yes

3)There is at least 1 wolf in that PM. Statistically Likely, and my personal belief

4) The wolfs do not hunt Falc right away but wait for 1 night. Yes

5) you lied about sending PM to other people to vote najs? No. I did send PM's claiming to have heard from the seer. I lied about giving his identity to an unnamed third party.

Is this correct? I am not blaming you, and not enetering a conversation - I just need yes/no answers to each point above. After we do that I am fairly sure I can give some feedback on who i think the wolfs are....
 

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It turns out that I was right; you were part of a silly JL. There was no need to obfuscate any situation. It was chaotic enough already.

SoL seems to be the true spiritual son of Split : though possibly a villager, he is so loud and messy that everyone gets confused and he ends up helping the wolves ! :p
 

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I can vouch that he did send out PM's without the seers identity. That is why at first I was kind if suspicious.

The role of the mouthpiece of the seer is to give the seer's information while keeping the seer's identity restricted to only the mouthpiece, especially at the start when the people contacted can very well be wolves.
 

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There is only one sane conclusion - based on walls of post you, the lat, and yugo clone posted..... now correct me if I am wrong. 1) Falc was the seer, 2) Falc sends a PM to you, ese (I would actually type ESE - but he is hosting the large game and can kill me off), and Euro. 3)There is at least 1 wolf in that PM. 4) The wolfs do not hunt Falc right away but wait for 1 night. 5) you lied about sending PM to other people to vote najs? Is this correct? I am not blaming you, and not enetering a conversation - I just need yes/no answers to each point above. After we do that I am fairly sure I can give some feedback on who i think the wolfs are....

I deleted the PM, but I can confirm that he sent a PM before the second deadline even came along asking people to vote najs. It came across as a new player being set-up to do a fake outing.

However, he does seem vindicated. I really doubt that he would have started the whole thing had he been a wolf. The thing is that he can't see why anyone might have been suspicious of it. Further, he doesn't also recognize that the other wolves would (especially in a lite) be the first to jump on the bandwagon of an outed wolf to try and cast off any suspicion on them, even if they tried to appear hesitant about it at the time. In fact, my guess is that the remaining wolves are sitting back cautiously and hoping that a wagon gets started on me by his ranting.

There is the very slim possibility that sol is a wolf, and he did his part to spread word of the outing in an attempt to look clean, but that is highly unlikely. That would be a fairly elaborate ploy when one could probably achieve the same goal just by sitting back and staying mum.
 

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SoL seems to be the true spiritual son of Split : though possibly a villager, he is so loud and messy that everyone gets confused and he ends up helping the wolves ! :p
I plead guilty to loud and messy. However I plead innocent to helping the wolves. I helped kill a wolf. I lead the charge to kill that wolf.
 

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I can vouch that he did send out PM's without the seers identity. That is why at first I was kind if suspicious.

Why would he disclose the seer's ID to everyone? Apparently, he claims to have told at least one person, but it seems falc told some others himself. Still, it makes little sense that he would go all around saying the seer's name to just anyone who asked.
 

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Why would he disclose the seer's ID to everyone? Apparently, he claims to have told at least one person, but it seems falc told some others himself. Still, it makes little sense that he would go all around saying the seer's name to just anyone who asked.
I didn't. My claim to have told even 1 other was a bluff in an attempt to forestall being hunted.
 

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I didn't. My claim to have told even 1 other was a bluff in an attempt to forestall being hunted.

I don't understand what you're saying here-my point was that it would have been foolhardy for you to have done so, not that you did.

RepBentley might be playing you here (he's saying it's odd that you never told him), and I'm happy to leave my vote on him for the time being.
 

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UnVote Cliges, Vote ese
 

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Slobo will vote Euro. Slobo thinks that the killing of our great Stakhanovite, Falc, is a work of someone who he entrusted on his PM that named Najs as a Nato agent. There were three such names, my son (who is innocent - for Slobos blood is pure), the lat (part of nato now), and Euro. It is clear someone with a name of Euro can not be a true socialist. The lat also has a lot of votes now, Slobo does not ride on bandwagons only on Yugos. Vote Euro
 

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I plead guilty to loud and messy. However I plead innocent to helping the wolves. I helped kill a wolf. I lead the charge to kill that wolf.

Yes to the last part... but the loud and messy part stirred so much mud that the wolves can hide in it.
 

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Yes to the last part... but the loud and messy part stirred so much mud that the wolves can hide in it.
That does appear to be the case. I will have to learn to be more quiet in future games.
 

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Slightly-related question: do you guys delete your PMs without downloading them?