Werewolf Lite CCI ~ ReReReturn of WW Lite. ON A BOAT!

[reis91]

vote randakar

I am somewhat intrigued by him. Starting with his behavior in the beginning of the game, promptly abandoned, especially after Rysz being killed. Curious, I'd say...

Assuming him and Rysz in one pack, randakar wouldn't probably have sold him unless the lynch looked unavoidable. Even so, I think he would prefer to let others do it.

When asked, in PM, about Rysz, he was neutral.

Then, he's been playing without suggesting any lynch targets, despite his analysis.At the end of one of his monster-posts yesterday, he said that walrus was a bit more suspicious now, and proceeded to vote. Could it be a baddie attempt at meshing with the crowd?

 

[randakar]

That analysis didn't yield much. Adamus looks suspicious based on his vote changes when Rysz was getting run up, but that is about it.

I know what I told you in that PM. I still stand by it.

 

[Najs]

I will be here to sub.

Welcome to the club.

 

[randakar]

Vote drxav

He knows why.

 

[drxav]

What, what did I do?

 

[EUROO7]

Vote drxav

He knows why.

Have you found us the wolf?

 

[randakar]

Have you found us the wolf?

.. maybe?

There is a background to this one

 

[EUROO7]

.. maybe?

There is a background to this one

You going to let me see that?

 

[Najs]

This is like watching football, without actually getting to see where the ball is.

 

[randakar]

Time for me to post some PM's. Mostly for entertainment value, to keep the newbies in the loop, and also because I really want most of this to come out into the open before Something Bad happens to me.

First off, some stuff from day 1.

Couldn't help it. You must be in the JL, even if there is no seer.
With no seer, I'm all up to exchange some information, since it's all I can do.

1) I'm unsure about Rysz. He has a decent chance at being a wolf, and reacted a bit strongly to EURO. I can't rule out him doing that as a villager, though. Still, for the lack of a better target...

2) It's hard to predict EURO, but if he is a wolf (and assuming you are not his packmate, relaying this to him) his revenge-style should be somewhat opposite to AOK. Thus, he will avoid hunting me, and will look for a slow death via lynch.

3) Mind the free-passes on the newcomers. By all means, let them live, but they may be the weakest link in the pack. Keep some attention on them.

If they are the weakest link in the pack they will give away information on who their packmates are. This can be exploited.

This is not a JL though. You could easily be a wolf, and I have no real reason to trust you any further than I can throw you. No offense.

Rysz and Euro .. well, I simply have nothing on them right now. Their behaviour is not particularly suspicious, but knowing them it's not going to be that easy to point at anything in particular in their behaviour.

Yes, you're understanding what I meant by the fault in the find and kill mentality of the JL in WW games. Sometimes it pays to leave the bait alive so as to make a better lure. I think we should try to gain the voting initiative tomorrow, and start a wagon on someone to get some answers, placing the wolves on the reaction side, where they are generally more vulnerable and prone to mistakes (it kinda applies to me, at least). When the wolves are allowed to act and cause the village to react, their task becomes a lot easier.

Yeah, I know it's not a JL by definition. But it could be advantageous to make up for the lack of information that the village starts with, in relation to the wolf minority. And I prefer doing it via PM than going openly on the thread, unless there is a major advantage to gain. Villagers get stronger by sharing information, by the old adage of "two heads think better than one".

Anyway, about EURO, I wasn't pointing anything in his behavior right now, but placing hypothesis in regards to future events.

If you vote to lynch Rysz, you vote to lynch a wolf.

Also, I swear to God Rysz, if you hunt me, I'll beat your brains out with this model replica of the Bullet.

That's typical EURO strategy to protect a packmate. Check the Lite I've hosted, first day, Adamus lynched. If anything, it just makes up my conviction that we must lynch Rysz to find out.

Some time later:

Good question. The only remarkable thing I have from memory is Euro commenting on you having a brain.
Now why did the wolves not hunt one of the people voting Rysz, instead? Especially Euro..

I know that euro on paper is a bad suspect now, but this looks a lot like wolves sacrificing a packmate for credit to me.
hrm.

And you wonder why you always get killed. Be more discreet, or, if you plan to move on him, move with all the strength you can muster and hope you manage to lynch him.

Anyway, drxav may be a better suspect. Late voter on Rysz, trying to suggest a big TIE as a way to catch the wolf, amongst the non-voters. I should be at the top of the hunting list now, due to being the first voter. Time to make myself suspicious somehow.

Oh, I don't wonder why, I know why

As for drxav .. I have him on chat. He started talking to me out of the blue tonight, right after the deadline. Much like you are sending me PM's for no real reason other than sounding me out, it seems. I know one of you is a villager, but.. hrm. I am still going to be a little suspicious towards both of you, if you don't mind.

.. some more time later:

Sure thing. I want EUROO dead anyways.

Whatever his role, he's had it too easy always because of his supposed veteran status. Claiming WW is dead and how he is so superior to us he can "claim to have hunted someone and no one would believe him" is enough. All the games I played he was a wolf, claiming to be one, and just messing around with everybody thanks to his supposedly superior game skills that allow him to just say anything and get away with it. So yeah, I'll vote him and campaign hard to have him killed. If he's a villager then we'll have one less random element on our side. If he's a wolf then it'll reach him a lesson.

He asking the villagers list and taking the role of head of the village is just him playing for himself and using his "veteran skills" to have people do what he wants.

Are you with me?

He can sometimes be a boon to the village, like one game where I scanned him night 0, and he misdirected everyone away from me for several nights. Still, more often than not, he is a liability for the village, and therefore a decent lynch.

I'm not sold on him being a wolf, but we can gain information by killing him, enabling the discarding of an entire set of scenarios about the events so far (yes, a bit too many of them involve EURO).

I think we have found our second wolf . Quoted my reply to him, to keep it under wraps, but I think this is over, because we have a really strong case against him.

Think so?
I'm not sure.
I've been talking to him, remember? Let me quote this thing for you.
(Sorry, it may be a bit of a read.)

Xavier: so... we meet again


Floris: hey


Xavier: randakar. takes hat off
i got a wolf
what have YOU got?


Floris: safety fron hunts for a while, I think.
*from


Xavier: how so?
because you're a wolf?


Floris: Not voting Rysz at the deadline, so not cleared.
therefore, not interesting to hunt.
In that vein, the hunt today is odd.


Xavier: wolves do suck


Floris: why didn't the wolves hunt Euro?


Xavier: ese is one of them along EUROO
how many are there?


Verzonden om 19:37 op dinsdag.
Xavier: oh dear
one wolf left
ok, let's got for EUROO


Floris: 11 players .. 3 wolves, I think?


Xavier: 2 wolves
it's said in the rules


Floris: right
brb, gotta bring Lynn to bed


Xavier: k


Verzonden om 19:42 op dinsdag.
Xavier: so randy


Verzonden om 21:24 op dinsdag.
Xavier: i know you're there:


Verzonden om 21:43 op dinsdag.
Xavier: i know!!!


Floris: back, more like
silly girl woke up again


Xavier: oh
being a daddy, hunting wolves, you're doing it right


Floris: being a daddy comes first


Xavier: of course
so you didn't tell me why hunting najs would make EUROO look bad


Verzonden om 21:55 op dinsdag.
Floris: uhm, you told everyone that the hunt on Najs made Euro look bad.


Xavier: what?
i didn't


Floris: hrm
"ok, rereading where that quote "


Xavier: oh yeah found "it"


Floris: "Now I'm going to have to have you hunted.
"
that was Euro


Xavier: yeah


Floris: but I thought he was referring to Najs - when actually, he was referring to me.


Xavier: yes


Floris: hrm, I fail.


Xavier: it's ok
so Randy my dear wolf
who are you going to vote?


Floris: No idea
there was something else about Najs though - Euro complimenting him on him having a mind of his own, I think.
That hunt is what made me think "Euro".
Then again .. I'm not sure Euro really is that logical. I mean, is he going to hunt a newish player this early just because he thinks? That sounds kinda lame to me.


Xavier: Najs is new?


Floris: Not really old, at the very least


Xavier: there's no pity in EUROO


Floris: First time I really saw him was in the Big game, I think. Maybe a little earlier, in one of the lites.
Pity, no, but not lame.


Xavier: well


Floris: What did Najs say to get himself hunted though?


Xavier: nothing
could've been Rysz's last will
EUROO said he was promising though...


Floris: exactly
to hunt someone after that is very lame.
Not like Euro, I think.


Xavier: i'll keep my vote and do my best to lynch EUROO for the sake of lynching him and get that equation out


Floris: I doubt it'll be successful


Xavier: of course it won't
and again EUROO will proceed with his ways


Floris: hmm, I don't mind that too much right now.


Xavier: and will either win, or be lynched very late and gloat at our face
for he was a wolf


Floris: he did get a wolf lynched, and he seemed pretty annoyed at how the game goes of late. Let him have his fun. I don't quite think he's a wolf right now anyway.


Xavier: did he get a wolf lynched?


Floris: reis seemed to think euro is a wolf too, btw.

(to be continued - this is too long)

(to be continued - this is too long)

Xavier: I got a PM from a certain someone that got me change my vote

Floris: who? Reis?


Xavier: that PM comprised another name
and a perfect explanation
as to why this other name was a wolf
and in fact it explained why Rysz was a wolf in relation to this other name's doings


Floris: hrm.


Xavier: the other name being EUROO of course


Floris: that does sound like Reis
he's been sending me PM's too.


Xavier: so if someone tells me "Rysz is a wolf because EUROO said that and that to protect him", and Rysz turns out to be a wolf...


Floris: so why not have this in the open?


Xavier: as you wish my good friend


Floris: Either you're right, you lynch euro, you win, good times are had by all ..
or you're wrong, and you won't get hunted for it because you were wrong


Xavier: is this you the wolf warning me?


Floris: unless you're part of jacob's special villager group, of course.


Xavier: i'm NOT SPECIAL!! I was born this way


Floris: no, this is just me stating facts. At this point there is no "the pack will hunt me for it" downside to lynching a wolf.
lol
of course you could still get hunted anyway, but that's really beyond my control


Xavier: i suppose
since EUROO is the guy it won't happen anyways


Floris: I dunno. If you have a good case, you have a good case. Anyone is lynchable if you have the arguments to back it up.


Xavier: point is i got no real arguments


Floris: at the least you can post the PM to show people the argument before the deadline. I think I have one too, but I'd have to go look for it.


Xavier: you got one PM too?


Floris: dunno for sure

If you vote to lynch Rysz, you vote to lynch a wolf.

Also, I swear to God Rysz, if you hunt me, I'll beat your brains out with this model replica of the Bullet.

That's typical EURO strategy to protect a packmate. Check the Lite I've hosted, first day, Adamus lynched. If anything, it just makes up my conviction that we must lynch Rysz to find out.

Xavier: same PM
he probably sent this to everyone


Floris: I don't think so.


Xavier: or


Floris: to a select bunch, I expect


Xavier: that means you and I are in the special group
and he was told
so we are the JL


Floris: huh?
wait. doesn't that happen on day 2?


Xavier: no
it happened tonight


Floris: and I'm sure he would have said something more than that


Xavier: it's Reis you're talking about...


Floris: yeah well, even he would not be that silly.


Xavier: bugger I notice just now that his PM says "posted by reis to randakar"
so it's he and us
oh dear
oh dear oh dear


Floris: ?


Xavier: i'm pretty sure we're the 3 guys
reis was told by jacob
and jacob gave him our names
to mock us from the last game


Floris: I'm confused now.
It's not like I don't want to know the names, but look, I got this PM from him today:

Anyway, drxav may be a better suspect. Late voter on Rysz, trying to suggest a big TIE as a way to catch the wolf, amongst the non-voters.

(That's just a small part of it)
so if he has you cleared, that is a mightily funny way to go about it


Xavier: alright then
thank god


Floris: So right. Either you are a surpremely clever wolf in acting all confused here, or you're not a wolf at all.


Xavier: what do you think?


Floris: People -rarely- do stuff like this on purpose
Not even AOK.
Sooner or later that will bite me in the ass, mind, but ..


Xavier: i told you it would someday


Floris: me clearing people too easily?
heh, it already has, remember?


Xavier: and someday i'll put up crazy shit as a wolf and turn everybody's head


Floris: hmm, yeah. I keep telling myself that, too.
It's a lot harder when you're actually a wolf


Xavier: i warned you anyways
i got a pm from reis
he's ok to kill EUROO
(i sent him a PM before explaining why to kill EUROO)


Floris: ah.

(Somewhere around this time I post my "you guys are spammers" comment in the thread. I presume people understand why by now.)

 

[randakar]

Then, a conversation with EUROO7 ensues.

I don't think I've ever PMed you in my life.

Let's rectify this then.
Want to know what's going on behind the screens over here? I am sure you would be mightily amused ..

Shoot.

Is that a "yes"?
I'm not sure I'm completely convinced you are a goodie.

But then again, I suspect you can guess the names of the spammers, too.

I am in fact a confirmed goodie.

And yes, shoot means yes.

I will think on it. That, however, may take a while, since I'll probably sleep on it first.
(Last time I send someone information unasked for it ended kinda badly for me )

If I was the wolf, I wouldn't hunt you. I like a challenge. You provide it.

That doesn't mean you wouldn't hunt other people I've been talking to, though.
Or use the information to ferret out who's on the cleared list.
(No, I don't know, thank you.)

I know. The fool was good enough to provide me the names.

Right. And that means I'm not on it, I presume.

Let me give you a bit of a teaser in exchange for this tidbit:

Couldn't help it. You must be in the JL, even if there is no seer.
With no seer, I'm all up to exchange some information, since it's all I can do.

1) I'm unsure about Rysz. He has a decent chance at being a wolf, and reacted a bit strongly to EURO. I can't rule out him doing that as a villager, though. Still, for the lack of a better target...

2) It's hard to predict EURO, but if he is a wolf (and assuming you are not his packmate, relaying this to him) his revenge-style should be somewhat opposite to AOK. Thus, he will avoid hunting me, and will look for a slow death via lynch.

3) Mind the free-passes on the newcomers. By all means, let them live, but they may be the weakest link in the pack. Keep some attention on them.

That's from yesterday, of course.

Does he realise there are only two wolves, and we lynched one yesterday?

By the way, my gut. Rysz came from my gut, and so did Walrus today. The idea of lynching them. Not Rysz and walrus themselves.

Right now, I'm going to sleep, we'll talk in the morning.

This PM was from before the Rysz lynch. Not sure what you mean with the two wolves .. I didn't even realize there were just two when he wrote this.

As for walrus .. hm. At least he's safe enough to lynch then, I guess

Goodnight

That was yesterday.
And as you can see, I am keeping my promise to Euro

 

[randakar]

More stuff - this is from yesterday evening.

Great material. If he is indeed a wolf, he deserves to live a bit longer.

And no, I am not in the village group. Drxav might, perhaps, if I interpret your conversation correctly, that's a major dose of paranoia (and some of it directed at me now, I suppose - "it's reis we're talking about" ).

Probably I shouldn't share conclusions like that, but you may have reached that conclusion already, and if you happen to be a wolf, you will not act on it before killing me.

Nah, I don't think he's in the village group, but I do think that he's a villager.
Or at the very least a pretty cunning wolf.
As for you sharing conclusions .. what is there to act on?

Meant that bit about saying drxav is camouflaging something, which could be him being contacted by a villager. His conversation made me go check the rules on that, and it would seem that the people whose information is given are unaware until the villager decides to contact them. Thus, a false flag operation may be designed.

I kind of doubt that he's been contacted, he just thought you contacted me as a villager.
*shrug*

I'm wondering what to do about Euro wanting to know about the PM conversations, though.

EURO wants you to BCC pm's to him? I don't mind staging some for his benefit. But I'd rather keep the others only for whom they were meant to start off with. And yes, this applies to some of the things you quoted from me to drxav.

You're ultimately judge and executer of that, obviously, but I prefer i could trust you to keep a minimum level of secrecy on more sensitive information. Hence the PM game instead of public discussion.

Right now I'm using these conversations to get as much information on the three of you as I can. That means you, drxav, AND Euro alike. I have a good feeling about you being a villager, a decent hint that drxav is one, Euro .. I had something there, but I lost it. Hrm.

But it seriously is getting time for my bed, so talk more tomorrow

(that's in response to the chat conversation I forwarded to him.)

 

[EUROO7]

I'm wondering right now, what I'm wondering is, what are we going to do after next deadline when the wolf hunts randakar?

 

[Najs]

I'm pretty sure I'm about as "new" as drxav by now, thank you. Also, lol @ randy "keeping a minimum level of secrecy."

 

[randakar]

You going to let me see that?

Emphatically - YES.

That leads up to tonight. Again, drxav contacts me.

Xavier: hey there


Floris: Evening


Xavier: looks like EUROO's wolfdar is in the same State as the British Navy


Floris: hehe
well, he still is beating the statistics with his 1 in 2 hit rate


Xavier: i'm just left puzzled as to what that reis move was


Floris: To be honest I kind of expected this.
meh. Dunno.
He said something about making himself look suspicious.


Xavier: why did you expect this?


Floris: Gut feeling. It just felt too easy.


Xavier: yeah


Floris: one of the reasons why I switched to Adamus
I wonder what that Boris hunt was all about. The wolf could have hunted one of the cleared looking people, but he did not.


Xavier: why does one wants to look suspicious
how silly is that?


Floris: it makes sense if you want to avoid being hunted


Xavier: i'll tell you what


Floris: that's how reis manages to get himself lynched so much


Xavier: if i were a wolf i'd hunt him right away as of trying to look suspicious to avoid being hunted


Floris: he always does that


Xavier: this is just screaming "i'm the villager with information"


Floris: could be.


Xavier: since i'm a smart wolf he's next in line


Floris: lol?


Xavier: well yeah


Floris: don't overestimate yourself


Xavier: i mean if he got information i'll get him next time
to minimize the JL


Floris: hmn. Reis is actually a bad hunt most of the time


Xavier: yeah i know


Floris: he tends to screw up for himself, or his own side, or both


Xavier: he's a bad everything


Floris: he's voting me now.


Xavier: i'll keep my pace on hunting random people


Floris: so, you are sure you're not a wolf now?


Xavier: why? didn't I tell you?


Floris: err, no?


Xavier: oh dear
i am the wolf


Floris: drat. Now I have to vote you.


Xavier: i didn't know najs was a newbie i'm so sorry i did that


Floris: (what is it with all those people openly calling themselves wolves?)
you know, you almost sound convincing, too.


Xavier: it's called misinformation
i know


Floris: no, not really.


Xavier: cause i am the wolf
the thing that reassures me is that this is googlechat
so you can't really quote that


Floris: tsk.

Now this is undoubtedly highly amusing for whoever the wolf is, but it does present a bit of a conundrum, since if drxav really is a wolf me letting him live after this..
Then again, he may just be playing at this game just to annoy me and/or rile me up a bit. In which case, he's succeeding.

 

[EUROO7]

I'm pretty sure I'm about as "new" as drxav by now, thank you.

I'm making you my apprentice.

 

[randakar]

I'm wondering right now, what I'm wondering is, what are we going to do after next deadline when the wolf hunts randakar?

I'm expecting that wolf to feel rather stupid then, since I am obviously not on The List

I'm pretty sure I'm about as "new" as drxav by now, thank you.

You're right, drxav is a newbie too

edit: Last bit of chat conversation here:

Xavier: and i've sort of build up a logic in my vote
so you can say i told you i'm the wolf but i'll counter say it


Floris: drat, lynn needs attention


Xavier: because you'll say i'm the guy, i'll say i'm not and prove that telling you is stupid and that you making a fake outing is stupid as well if you're the wolf.
ok
your PM box is full


Verzonden om 21:03 op woensdag.
Floris: oh
that does sneak up on me sometimes


Xavier: yes
so where were we
so


Floris: gimme a sec to clear that


Xavier: imagine you say in public i'm the wolf, and produce that quote of mine
if i'm the wolf i can say you lie
therefore you're the wolf
we lynch you and you're not
i die the next day
if i'm not the wolf you lynch me and
die the next day


Floris: err, why would I die the next day?


Xavier: cause you'd be the wolf


Floris: ah
that makes no sense


Xavier: i'll campaign hard to make it so if i die you die next
see


Floris: you can say you're the wolf while a villager, I can believe you as a villager, and then one of us lynches the other
and besides, if you're the wolf and I lynch you I win the game


Xavier: yes
but will you take the risk
NO!!! cause you know i'm not the wolf cause you ARE!!!!


Floris: uh?


Xavier: i've unveiled your plans dutchman
simple


Floris: I think you're overthinking things here.


Xavier: if you're the wolf you know i'm not, so you won't use that quote against me
or not today


Floris: and that makes no sense because now you're telling me exactly what I would do if I was the wolf


Xavier: maybe close to deadline when we're both still alive
yes


Floris: which actually still makes no sense because you don't really know how I play as a wolf.


Xavier: i don't need to


Floris: and me, as a villager, does have one very specific trait: A desire to let everything come into the open before something kills me.
Including, I might add, this conversation.

And that's where we are now, roughly.

To be honest, I feel there has been enough private conversation here to easily double the amount of spam in this thread. And my PM box was having trouble keeping up, and I do NOT feel like digging it all out of cold storage again. So here it is.

 

[EUROO7]

@ Randy:

Good Doctor, you have some time to explain your words. We will wait.

 

[randakar]

@ Randy:

Good Doctor, you have some time to explain your words. We will wait.

Do I really have to?

edit: Wait, he's talking about dr. xav
Never mind, I was being stupid..

 

[EUROO7]

Vote Dr. Xav

Only inciting a response.