Werewolf Lite CCCXXXIII: Pokemon!

[marty99]

The last time this setup was played the Wolves Stalingraded it. I'm not sure how balanced this setup is, but I guess that's what we're testing out now.

I don't think 2 or even 10 games is enough to say anything about balance based on the winners. But balance isn't what I'm worried about anyway; the game still needs to be enjoyable. You want a certain level of baddie deaths required to keep surviving as the village and 4/17 imho provides the right one. I mean I don't mind games like these as occasionals and I've gm'ed similar ones. But in general 1/4/12 has worked pretty excellently, both in terms of making great games and a roughly equal win ratio, and seeing the last two games both having this setup I don't want it to supplant as the norm.

 

[k-59]

I don't think 2 or even 10 games is enough to say anything about balance based on the winners. But balance isn't what I'm worried about anyway; the game still needs to be enjoyable. You want a certain level of baddie deaths required to keep surviving as the village and 4/17 imho provides the right one. I mean I don't mind games like these as occasionals and I've gm'ed similar ones. But in general 1/4/12 has worked pretty excellently, both in terms of making great games and a roughly equal win ratio, and seeing the last two games both having this setup I don't want it to supplant as the norm.

I agree that the 1/4/12 set-up is time tested and should not be abandoned under any circumstance. However as you say it takes times to determine if a different set-up could provide an viable part-time alternative. And that is just what these last few games have allowed us to do.

I do agree that the next game should probably be 1/4/12.

 

[Audren]

The last time this setup was played the Wolves Stalingraded it. I'm not sure how balanced this setup is, but I guess that's what we're testing out now.

Stalingraded? Is that like when the wolves reach parity and none of them were lynched or something?

 

[k-59]

Stalingraded? Is that like when the wolves reach parity and none of them were lynched or something?

Exactly.

 

[k-59]

Having found two Team Rocket members it seemed the trainers’ task was almost over. The friends for Knato announced who they were, and everyone agree that only other person who could be so lazy not to engage in a daily robbery was the Dutch man who trained Snorlaxes. Turns out it he was too lazy to even join Team Rocket in first place.

Meanwhile, one of the friends, a Silph Co Scientist, was robbed for his Polygon 2


DutchGuy the normal trainer was lynched.

Thandros the friend from Kanto was hunted.

 

[EUROO7]

Keep in mind this is a 16 person game.

Another inexplicable betrayal to the game of werewolf.

 

[Audren]

...

what.

 

[AzagalTheGreat]

As expected.

 

[happycats517]

The last time this setup was played the Wolves Stalingraded it. I'm not sure how balanced this setup is, but I guess that's what we're testing out now.

I haven't been keeping up with WW recently, but wasn't my game the last one with the 10/3/3 setup? And in my game the village ended up winning it, although a big help to that was the wolves being unable to find the friends.

 

[Rovsea]

I haven't been keeping up with WW recently, but wasn't my game the last one with the 10/3/3 setup? And in my game the village ended up winning it, although a big help to that was the wolves being unable to find the friends.

If not yours than the one before. I distinctly remember a recent game with this setup that was a Stalingrad.

Now, as to recent developments, I'd say that Myself, Aedan, and Audren are currently the least likely suspects, especially Audren. Let's move on to Capt. Kiwi.

Vote Capt. Kiwi.

 

[aedan777]

If not yours than the one before. I distinctly remember a recent game with this setup that was a Stalingrad.

Now, as to recent developments, I'd say that Myself, Aedan, and Audren are currently the least likely suspects, especially Audren. Let's move on to Capt. Kiwi.

Vote Capt. Kiwi.

I don't know about that, because not only is there the lynch to consider, there's also the no-hunt. Kiwi wouldn't miss a hunt like that, he'd have a standing order, though I'd doubt you or EL would mess up like that either. But clearly one of you is the wolf, and it happened, which is bizarre. Audren is confirmed goodie as the only remaining friend, unless someone else comes forward. I know I'm not a wolf, and I know I wouldn't miss a hunt like that, not to mention I made the tie that killed both wolves. So by process of elimination, the wolf has to be Kiwi, EL, or Rovsea, which doesn't make sense, but has to be true. I think Rovsea's the least likely of those three, since he played a fairly big role in getting the tie to happen, and he isn't the type to sell out packmates like that. Or well, maybe that was the idea, since he added Mder1 to the tie, and he didn't even get a vote in before being lynched, so perhaps a sacrifice of a liability to gain credit? Possible, but not too likely, though no option now seems too likely. Kiwi's far too good of a player to miss a hunt, but could it have been a ploy for that exact purpose. Rather risky and unorthodox, not to mention ruthless when it implicates one's packmates, but a solid defense nonetheless. EL wasn't active in the early game and he just put in an early vote on Cliges the day we lynched the wolves. He's gotten more active since we killed the wolves, which could mean greater interest in the game, either from getting close to victory or getting close to defeat.

Well since my cases on Kiwi and Rovsea come across as paranoid ramblings on reflection, I think the best candidate is EL, not because the case on him is particularly good, but that the alternatives are far worse.

Vote Eternaly_Lost

 

[Rovsea]

Hmm. I'll say that we need consolidation, and I trust Aedan in this situation.

Unvote Capt. Kiwi, Vote Eternaly_Lost

 

[Rovsea]

Allow me briefly to give my thoughts of the situation. The wolf is either Capt. Kiwi or Eternaly_Lost. The wolf's game plan is to survive today by getting either myself or whichever of Kiwi/EL isn't the wolf lynched. The next day he'll try and get the other lynched, he'll hunt Audren tonight. There is no other strategy really available unless the wolf is Aedan or Audren, in which case we're pretty much screwed no matter what we do.

 

[Audren]

I'm inclined to lean towards Eternaly_Lost myself, mostly because you and Kiwi both voted for the wolves in the past rounds, while EL helped start the move away from Mder in Day Two and gave a very cryptic and non-specific vote to Aedan Day Three.

BUT.... EL was the one who pointed out that the newer players (subs, etc.) are likely to be wolves. Sure, somebody else would've anyway no doubt, and maybe it's a good ploy to jump the gun and say it in hopes of being less suspicious, but it's still weird. Plus, he posted that right after the mission post, so he must've been around right before the deadline.

But everyone else would submit a hunt order backup, except me, who's already all but cleared. Is there any reason why somebody would intentionally not hunt? I can't think of one, besides causing this mass of confusion, which I suppose is reason enough.

Let's think about Kiwi. The main thing that's worrying me is his prompting of us to reveal ourselves as Friends. On the one hand, it did save Thandros from being lynched, and before that it seemed like we were going to TIE DutchGuy and Thandros anyway. But if Kiwi was the wolf, it would definitely help him to know who those Friends are and hunt them as fast as possible. As Rovsea said, I'm gonna die tonight unless we get the wolf. But Kiwi's voted a lot for wolves in the earlier rounds.

Would trying to TIE EL and Kiwi be stupid and/or impossible? That'd require trusting Rovsea and Aedan quite a far bit, but I think they're the least likely wolves out of us (then again, we're ALL unlikely wolves).

For now, I'm gonna VOTE CAPT. KIWI

Damn, this game is crazy.

 

[Capt. Kiwi]

I am certainly not a wolf. Apart from the fact I simply wouldn't miss a hunt, I also removed the possibility of lynching two of our most likely candidates by pointing out they were better off risking a hunt than a certain lynch. This would make it near impossible for me as a wolf to get three lynches from those players left. I would have instead shut up and hoped against hope we lynched a friend accidentally. Having to hunt friends who should have been lynched is what will lose the wolf this game.

 

[Thandros]

The Only question I have is why the hell do I have a Porygon 2 surely I should have a Porygon Z far superior unless I'm building it tanky and using evolite I guess. Still that was completely expected I told you what would happen. Now please kill that final wolf before I pull myself from the grave to kill him myself.

 

[k-59]

The Only question I have is why the hell do I have a Porygon 2 surely I should have a Porygon Z far superior unless I'm building it tanky and using evolite I guess. Still that was completely expected I told you what would happen. Now please kill that final wolf before I pull myself from the grave to kill him myself.

Because the GM refuses to admit the existence of post gen 2 pokemon.

 

[marty99]

First 151 best 151.

 

[Wagonlitz]

I don't even think I know what the second generation is; I haven't interested me for pokemon since 1999 or 2000. Then Digimon became the big thing here.
Though I wasn't one who cared much about either of those shows in the first place.

 

[Hax]

How come that an Chicagoan economist chooses to host a WWL with Pokemon as theme?