Werewolf Lite CCCXXX: Oh God, We Lost the Seer!

[Rovsea]

Unvote Aedan, Vote Lord_D

For the blatant bandwagon vote on Aedan.

 

[Daffius]

So I vote the exact same as I do every game, and I get 4(!!!) votes when no one else has more than 1. You lot are either retarded or wolves. Lord_D is the worst of the bunch for putting the last vote on my bandwagon, so-

Unvote Arrowfiend Vote Lord_D

Since apparently my standard vote hit several people's stupidity blind spots.

How not to get lynched, chapter 1.0.1.
"Insult every player voting you as much as you can. That should definately get you out of trouble."

Chapter 1.0.2
"Get lynched"

Nothing against you, but nothing against anyone else either. My vote stays.

 

[aedan777]

How not to get lynched, chapter 1.0.1.
"Insult every player voting you as much as you can. That should definately get you out of trouble."

Chapter 1.0.2
"Get lynched"

Nothing against you, but nothing against anyone else either. My vote stays.

So mindless bandwagoning doesn't constitute better candidates than someone easily driven up without reason? Right, totally sensible. Either lazy villager who doesn't want to move their vote, or wolf not wanting to support potential cases against a packmate.

 

[Tornadoli]

So mindless bandwagoning doesn't constitute better candidates than someone easily driven up without reason? Right, totally sensible. Either lazy villager who doesn't want to move their vote, or wolf not wanting to support potential cases against a packmate.

I don't think he had anything against you pointing out a bandwagon, I think he had something against the fact that you called players "retarded" over doing so.

 

[Bagricula]

I remain constant in my belief that the first commandment of werewolf survival is: Find a better lynch

The second commandment might be: Don't be so obviously a villager the wolves hunt you, but I'm still working on that

 

[k-59]

I remain constant in my belief that the first commandment of werewolf survival is: Find a better lynch

The second commandment might be: Don't be so obviously a villager the wolves hunt you, but I'm still working on that

This. Insulting other players when ever the opportunity is there is the third commandment.

Not that a loser like you would know that....;P

 

[EUROO7]

I remain constant in my belief that the first commandment of werewolf survival is: Find a better lynch

The second commandment might be: Don't be so obviously a villager the wolves hunt you, but I'm still working on that

This. The best defense is a good scapegoating.

 

[Wagonlitz]

I don't think he had anything against you pointing out a bandwagon, I think he had something against the fact that you called players "retarded" over doing so.

By how much are they retarded? And where are their point of origin? Are their retarded time measurable?

 

[Daffius]

So mindless bandwagoning doesn't constitute better candidates than someone easily driven up without reason? Right, totally sensible. Either lazy villager who doesn't want to move their vote, or wolf not wanting to support potential cases against a packmate.

What? It's D1, I have no case against anyone. We both know I'm the best there is and ever will be in catching wolves, but a D1 is early even for me. Also the 'bandwagon' against you - at least for me - seemed like people not liking you killing a newb, nothing more.

Would you feel better if I said: "my signup number x2-1" or "random"?

Tell you what. Bring a case against anyone, no matter how minor and I'll consider it and potentially switch ("he bandwagoned me" doesn't count). Sounds like a fair deal?

 

[aedan777]

Not sure when blind bandwagoning on Day 1 became accepted. Yes day 1 doesn't have information to analyse, but standards have really fallen far if putting four votes on a single candidate before anyone else has more than a single vote is now perfectly normal and not worthy of any sort of response. Contrary to what the more simpleminded of you claim it has nothing to do with the votes being on me specifically, but the "reasoning" behind them and the number of them. And stop whining about me "insulting" people. When people do stupid things, I'm going to call them on it. To protect everyone's actions and claim that all arguments are equally valid is pure stupidity and has no place in werwolf.

You ask for a case no matter how minor, Daffius, but then go on to immediately say that bandwagon votes don't count. I'm not demanding that you change, or even that this is wolfish in and of itself. But if you're going to continue to push the blind bandwagon on me, don't lie and say you'll consider other options while dismissing them in the same breath.

Case against me: Zip, nada, nothing. Putting down my standard day 1 vote and "insulting" others is not a case.

Case against Lord_D/Sleepyhead: Putting votes on a caseless candidate that push him much higher than any other candidate (fourth vote when nearest others at 1, and fifth vote when nearest candidate has 2 respectively).

Though at this point I'm expecting to be lynched anyways, because recently it seems once stupidity starts a cascade of votes against me, it's hard to remove it, and players dig in deeper when I point out how stupid it is. I miss the days where a massive bandwagon on a player for nonexistent reasons put the spotlight on the bandwagoners rather than the bandwagoned.

 

[Bagricula]

For what it is worth, I think Aedan would be a bad Day 1 lynch:

He has already spilled out tons of text, mentioning some but not other players. This can then be analyzed on future days for signs of wolfishness or villagerishness in light of other player's roles.

 

[Rovsea]

For what it is worth, I think Aedan would be a bad Day 1 lynch:

He has already spilled out tons of text, mentioning some but not other players. This can then be analyzed on future days for signs of wolfishness or villagerishness in light of other player's roles.

Aedan also happens to be completely correct, even if he does have an abrasive way of going about saying it.

 

[Gorganslayer]

vote Rovsea
- I dont like either of these bandwagons

 

[Rovsea]

vote Rovsea
- I dont like either of these bandwagons

They really aren't bandwagons at this point. I believe that the top three voted players are sitting somewhere around 2-3-4 at this point, so to say that one player has a bandwagon (which I'm taking to mean either developing a significant lead over any other opposition or recently and rapidly acquired a relatively large proportion of the votes) just seems wrong to me. Nobody is significantly in the lead, we're still fairly early into the day, and the likelihood is that another candidate will be proposed somewhere along the line that will be lynched ahead of whatever candidates we currently have. With all candidates within three votes of each other (I don't believe that anybody has more than 4 votes), we really can't say that there is a bandwagon. For all that, I sympathize with not wanting to be in the lead on votes.

 

[Comm Cody]

He who votes against bandwagons should see to it that he himself doesn't start a bandwagon.

 

[Rovsea]

He who votes against bandwagons should see to it that he himself doesn't start a bandwagon.

The only feasible "bandwagon" so far is the already disbanded bandwagon on Aedan earlier in the day.

 

[madchemist]

Unvote Ironhead
Vote Lord_D

Consolidation and anti-bandwagon.

 

[Daffius]

Not sure when blind bandwagoning on Day 1 became accepted. Yes day 1 doesn't have information to analyse, but standards have really fallen far if putting four votes on a single candidate before anyone else has more than a single vote is now perfectly normal and not worthy of any sort of response. Contrary to what the more simpleminded of you claim it has nothing to do with the votes being on me specifically, but the "reasoning" behind them and the number of them. And stop whining about me "insulting" people. When people do stupid things, I'm going to call them on it. To protect everyone's actions and claim that all arguments are equally valid is pure stupidity and has no place in werwolf.

You are acting as if it was a done deal. There were 4 votes on you in quick succession, which is going to be beneficial on the long run for analysis. Think of it this way. As for insults, by all means, insult all you can, noones stopping you, I actually enjoy reading them. They're funny.

You ask for a case no matter how minor, Daffius, but then go on to immediately say that bandwagon votes don't count. I'm not demanding that you change, or even that this is wolfish in and of itself. But if you're going to continue to push the blind bandwagon on me, don't lie and say you'll consider other options while dismissing them in the same breath.

I'm not lieing and I'm not pushing a bandwagon on you, get your facts right. You are asking me to vote someone because they are voting you for stupid reasons (wanting to kill a newb) = you asking me to lynch someone for reasoning that I myself put forward. Hence I said, pick something else.

Case against me: Zip, nada, nothing. Putting down my standard day 1 vote and "insulting" others is not a case.

Case against anyone else: Zip, nada, nothing. At least from my perspective. I'm not voting you for insulting others, I couldn't care less. I have no reason to vote ANYONE atm as I have no information on anyone other than gutfeel. Hence unlike you who votes X2 or some others who vote random.org, I either vote gut feel or with something I don't like. In this case I didn't like you voting a first time player regardless of if this is a standard or not.

Case against Lord_D/Sleepyhead: Putting votes on a caseless candidate that push him much higher than any other candidate (fourth vote when nearest others at 1, and fifth vote when nearest candidate has 2 respectively).

Though at this point I'm expecting to be lynched anyways, because recently it seems once stupidity starts a cascade of votes against me, it's hard to remove it, and players dig in deeper when I point out how stupid it is. I miss the days where a massive bandwagon on a player for nonexistent reasons put the spotlight on the bandwagoners rather than the bandwagoned.

Stop this defeatism. It is to be expected from Comm Cody or Arkasas only. We are far away from deadline, votes swing a lot until then. People will comment until then and at least we already have some info on you (and me I guess).



Unvote Aedan

Not because of your ranting and whinning, but because of 'gut feel'. You come off as more of a frustrated villager than anything else.

 

[happycats517]

Day 1 Vote Count: The Unnecessary Origin Story Edition
15 hours to deadline

Gorganslayer: 4
Wagonlitz [150]
Bagricula [170]
Tornadoli [152 Wagon -> 191]
Comm Cody [149 Comm Cody -> 198]

Lord_D: 3
Aedan [147 Arrowfiend -> 173]
Rovsea [148 Aedan -> 202]
machemist [158 I5 -> Lord_D]

Aedan: 2
Lord_D [165]
Sleepyhead [174]

Rovsea: 1
Gorganslayer [214]

k-59: 1
Dexander [179]

Sleepyhead: 1
k-59 [175]

Madchemist: 1
Arrowfiend [153 Aedan -> 187]

Not Voted: 3
EURO
Ironhead
Daffius [152 Aedan -> 219]

 

[Gorganslayer]

unvote rovsea
vote lord_D
- shameless self defense