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Official count, day 1, deadline
Cody: 5
Jacksonian Missionary [118]
ramius3443 [115 spam -> 120]
Claude LC [135]
BlackCrown [110 Alynkio -> 147]
Adamgerd [158]

Jackson: 4
aedan777 [109]
alynkio [107 Claude -> 136]
SPAMbuca [104 Adam -> 132 Claude -> 141 Adam -> 155]
jeray2000 [114 spam -> 157]

Claude: 3
Spockyt [124]
Comm Cody [117 ram -> 139]
Audren [111 BC -> 144]

Alynkio: 2
deathbywombat [126 Jackson -> 150]
Arkasas [113 aedan -> 169]

Spam: 1
Rovsea [106]

Spock: 1
F72Voyager [108]

Not voted: 0

Voyager tried voting Wagon in 105, but Wagon's GM

Official count, day 2, deadline

Audren: 5

SPAMbuca [190 BC -> 230]

alynkio [232]

ramius3443 [233]

BlackCrown [235 BC -> 240]

deathbywombat [225 Audren -> 245 Alynkio -> 251]


Alynkio: 3

Rovsea [199]

F72Voyager [202 Jackson -> 228]

Claude LC [244 Audren -> 250]


Voyager: 1

jeray2000 [200]


Spam: 1

Jacksonian Missionary [203]


jeray: 1

Spockyt [207]


Rovs: 1

aedan777 [219 Alynkio -> 252]


Not voted: 2

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Wombat asked for some possible wolves and I think it's possible to start ranking people.


Remaining players:

Spockyt:

Voted Claude for little reason on day 1 with Cody. Throwaway vote on day 2. His reason to vote Jeray seems wrong as well. Apart from that, he doesn't post much and I don't rate his posts very helpful. I'd rate Spockyt relatively likely to be wolf.


ramius3443:

Voted Cody on day 1 early. I don't think possible wolves that quickly voted Cody day 1 had a real opportunity to switch votes without catching a lot of attention, but I guess it looks favorable to him that he voted a wolf. Voted Audren on day 2. I consider his reasoning valid, although he admits not to do much this game. I do question why he doesn't think of my reasoning to question BC unreasonable, but I guess others think alike on that. Don't any of you find it strange that you admit to follow others around blindly and no one else sees him being very eager to be a wolf? In general, I consider ramius relatively unlikely to be a wolf.


Claude LC:

Voted Cody as well day 1 which helps a bit. I do think he should put in more thoughts, starting on why he prefered to lynch Alynkio over Audren. He started with a vote on Audren day 2 as well, but switched. Not terribly wrong moves, but I would like a reasoning with each move. Him not "liking the Audren case" might actually imply him knowing to be a villager. In general, I also feel the wolves are hidden amongst the people that aren't very active and are lurking around. I'd rate him average likely to be a wolf.


SPAMbuca:

Obvious villager


aedan777:

Apparantly likes to hang back a bit the first few days and react later. I personally got a feeling it's mostly to him not wanting to be in the early spotlights too much to avoid dying. Voted JM day 1. Wasn't really motivated. Maybe a notable fact is that Arkasas was hunted after he had his vote on Aedan. Arkasas switched later, but it caught my eye anyway. Voted Alynkio day 2. At least he motivated his vote on Alynkio, but I am not sure I agree. Especially hours away from the deadline, I don't think you want to kill the action by putting the bandwagon too far ahead and to keep discussion/action going, I think you want to keep multiple people close together in the early game. Incriminates Audren in his post too. I find that reasonable, although he turned out to be a villager. Has a fair point about Jeray as I don't personally like following votes because of meta reasons either, but doesn't necessarily mean Jeray is a wolf because of it. Fair point in his last part regarding Alynkio.

In general, I actually feel like he might be a relatively average to likely wolf due to his accusation record. In previous games, I actually remember you condemning people to put people too far ahead vote wise, but I'd have to look that up again. Might have a more clear opinion once he posts more.


Adamgerd/sub:

Extremely little to go on. Voted Cody and pushed him further into the lead, but I really wonder about his only relevant message. Guess it's impossible to ask now, but reading his post back, he might know more than he let on. Yet, I can't help but to rate him to be an unlikely wolf, due to him pushing the Cody lynch. Hope his sub is active at least.


alynkio:

Voted JM day 1, voted Audren day 2. Not the best voting record, but I have the exact same one. Doesn't look positive at this point though. Did vote Claude as well as Cody before he switched on day 1 as well. Initially, I could get behind his reasoning to vote JM, but he indeed might have tried to move the bandwagon away from Cody as well on day 1, similar to BC.

Puts in a lot of effort into his large post on day 2. Not all of it is useful though. His explanation doesn't fully explain to me his possible eagerness to switch the bandwagon around, which I see something seperate from him moving his vote from Claude to JM. You could even say, he could have moved his vote from Claude to JM, because his possible packmate Cody, already voted Claude and the wolves don't want to be caught voting the same person. I obviously disagree with him on me and BC, but agree with him on Voyager. I personally feel wolves could have done little to save Cody the moment he started to rake in votes. Some arguably might have tried to switch the bandwagon around, including people that voted Cody, but no one dared to move his vote in the end. Again, note a that a tie would not have saved Cody either.

After reading all of this back, I can't help but to rate Alynkio to be a relatively likely wolf.


Rovsea:

Throwaway vote on me day 1. Reasoning I do not understand at all. Maybe he can shed some light there. On day 2, he admits it was a quick vote and then says "he has a small reason for the vote, but he had no reason to assume I did". That's the vaguest line I ever read in the WW game. After. he puts down a vote down on Alynkio. The vote stands out to me, not because of the person he votes for, but because he again fails to give any explanation again. Later, he responds to me questioning him, which I initially missed apparantly, but I don't really get him there either. What evidence is he asking for? At the end of day 2, apparantly he tried to avoid a tie by removing his vote on Alynkio, but was apparantly too late. It's not too relevant, because Wombat already switched his vote, but again, what is his motivation? In fact, his initial vote on Alynkio looks like an alibi vote as he didn't give a good reason for it in the first place and the removes his vote for no given reason.

In general, I don't consider his posts to be very helpful to me. Either I don't get what he is saying, gives no explanation, or does something dubious. I would actually rate Rovsea to be a relatively likely wolf at the moment.


jeray2000:

Voted me initially day 1 with a reasoning that's extremely odd to me and then moves on to JM. Responds to Rovsea later in a way I have no clue what they are talking about either. Something about voting patterns that I do not think have a rational base. Changes vote after being called out by Wombat. While I might have to be grateful here, it could also be explained as backing off too easy and putting down a vote on an easy target, as that seemed to be the reason he voted JM. I personally read his argument as "No one would mind me voting JM right? he wants out anyway". Says he will take responsibility later for his vote, but that doesn't really mean anything at that point.

On day 2, he has a throwaway vote on Voyager, although I can see his reasoning. I don't really agree with him on BC, but that doesn't imply him to be a wolf necessarily. Jeray responds to 3 replies in the thread later, but I don't consider them really relevant. I agree his vote day 1 wasn't a throwaway like everyone else here I think.

So, in general, he actually has more posts in then I initially thought. Quite a few actually, but a lot of it is fluff I feel. His voting record so far isn't impressive. I suppose we get more info on Jeray once he starts adressing more people. At the moment, I do rate him relatively average to likely to be a wolf due to a few warning lights I mentioned earlier.


Jacksonian Missionary:

On day 1, he was the first one to vote Cody and he was the alternative to Cody so because if it, I'd automatically rate him very unlikely to be a wolf at this point. Although I wonder what caused the increased amount of interest after he got his role. He has a throwaway vote on me day 2 and I do not agree with his reasoning obviously, but I don't think it's suspicious necessarily. I adressed in Aedan's part why not. I honestly think you gain more information if you keep the votes close together in the early days.

After that, he didn't post anymore. Not a surprise as he announced from the start he would not have a lot of time to play, but I hope he can stay active. Yet, I'd rate him relatively unlikely to be a wolf.


deathbywombat:

Throwaway vote on Alynkio day 1. I consider it a throwaway vote as Arkasas' vote came extremely late and had little to no chance to have any meaning by keeping it there. He initially voted JM as well, but removed the vote later to Alynkio as said earlier. I must thank him for his personal support on day 1, but that doesn't make him a villager. I don't mind him probing Alynkio at all to get information.

Around the deadline, he tells me it's usual for BC to behave like he did and apparantly others agree, but BC's behaviour still makes me feel strange. Could be considered a soft defense in case BM would turn to be a wolf later. He also says Alynkio's defence was decent but in that case I wonder why he kept his vote on Alynkio if he dropped the matter way before the deadline. This is a further indication his vote was in fact a throwaway vote or maybe even an alibi vote.

On day 2, he has a vote on Audren. He starts of clearing JM, although that seems like a no brainer at that point. I think everyone agrees. A large post follows, in which more of the same follows. I disagree with him, but that doesn't necessarily make him a wolf. Some back and forth follows in which nothing new comes up. At the start of page 12, he posts a message in which he says BC is now probably cleared as villager, but I honestly don't understand the reason. I don't think anyone not knowing about the 2 seers in the game, says anything about your affinity and playing dumb is always an option.

I can get behind his reasoning to vote on Audren. Said it was a placeholder vote, but can't hold it against him to keep it if Audren doesn't show up. After, he says Spockyt brings up good points about Jeray, but that point was actually completely wrong. I feel his initial vote on Alynkio could be explained a whole lot better as I personally have no clue why he actually switched vote. After, he suggests a tie, but then breaks the tie and saves Alynkio? That latest moment is the biggest questionmark of yesterday to me. First, you vote Alynkio without explaining yourself, then you ask for a tie, then you snipe break the tie. I can't take your attacks on Alynkio serious now that you saved him for no reason.

Because of that and his voting record, I actually reckon Wombat a relatively very likely wolf at this point. He is very active, but I can't help but question his actions.


F72Voyager

Starts day 1 with a random vote which turns out to be a throwaway vote on Spockyt. On day 2, he actually votes on the least likely wolf and excuses himself for inactivity. Switches to Alynkio later, but without much motivation. Apart from that, nothing.

So, I can get someone's busy, but I can't help but define him as a lurker in this game at least. Based on what he did, I can't help but to rate him relatively likely to be a wolf, due to both his voting and inactivity.
 
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Official count, day 2, deadline
Audren: 5
SPAMbuca [190 BC -> 230]
alynkio [232]
ramius3443 [233]
BlackCrown [235 BC -> 240]
deathbywombat [225 Audren -> 245 Alynkio -> 251]

Alynkio: 3
Rovsea [199]
F72Voyager [202 Jackson -> 228]
Claude LC [244 Audren -> 250]

Voyager: 1
jeray2000 [200]

Spam: 1
Jacksonian Missionary [203]

jeray: 1
Spockyt [207]

Rovs: 1
aedan777 [219 Alynkio -> 252]

Not voted: 2
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Wait, what? I never unvoted Alynkio, 252 was a post by Rovsea. Doesn't change the outcome, but still a mistake.
I personally got a feeling it's mostly to him not wanting to be in the early spotlights too much to avoid dying.
Partially true, but also that often the first couple days have little useful information to go on, with day 3 being the usual point where information because sufficient enough to make real cases. This game we got lucky with a dead wolf day 1, so there were possible cases day 2.
Voted Alynkio day 2. At least he motivated his vote on Alynkio, but I am not sure I agree. Especially hours away from the deadline, I don't think you want to kill the action by putting the bandwagon too far ahead and to keep discussion/action going, I think you want to keep multiple people close together in the early game.
I'm sorry, do you have the slightest idea what the votecount was when I voted alynkio?
Official count, day 2, 3 hours and 47 minutes to deadline

Alynkio: 2

Rovsea [199]

aedan777 [219]


BC: 1

SPAMbuca [190]


Voyager: 1

jeray2000 [200]


Jackson: 1

F72Voyager [202]


Spam: 1

Jacksonian Missionary [203]


jeray: 1

Spockyt [207]


Audren: 1

deathbywombat [225]


Not voted: 6




@Adamgerd []

@alynkio []

@Audren []
This is the votecount after my vote and Deathbywombat's vote on Audren. Remove those two votes and you have a field of six candidates with one vote each. In no book is a vote on one of those candidates pushing up a candidate into a "bandwagon". We had too many votes spread out and needed consolidation, so my vote was entirely reasonable.

For the other parts of Spam's post, I don't disagree too much, besides thinking Claude's a less likely wolf than he claims. Rovsea doing oddities isn't too unusual for him, but it's often a sign of wolfishness, so there's a decent possibility of inquiry there. At the time I'm making this, Spam hasn't edited in entries for Jacksonian, Deathbywombat, F72Voyager, and most of Jeray's. For these four, I'd say likely villager for Jacksonian, could go either way for wombat, and Voyager's not looking great, but not a very likely pakcmate of Alynkio's either. Jeray's still a decently likely wolf in my book. Still have the jury out on Spam himself, hasn't made any votes on likely wolves, and while he's fairly active, that by no means makes him an unlikely wolf. Also has a mildly suspicious vote day one in the anti-cody movement.
 

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What I meant was that the reason for voting Jackson was a throwaway. He moved from a throwaway to put another candidate up in a tie with a wolf, and barely gave a reason.
It was Day 1. The lead cases were Cody's foul language, Jackson being a zombie, and Claude changing an avatar. No one had real reasons.
 

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Wait, what? I never unvoted Alynkio, 252 was a post by Rovsea. Doesn't change the outcome, but still a mistake.

Partially true, but also that often the first couple days have little useful information to go on, with day 3 being the usual point where information because sufficient enough to make real cases. This game we got lucky with a dead wolf day 1, so there were possible cases day 2.

I'm sorry, do you have the slightest idea what the votecount was when I voted alynkio?

This is the votecount after my vote and Deathbywombat's vote on Audren. Remove those two votes and you have a field of six candidates with one vote each. In no book is a vote on one of those candidates pushing up a candidate into a "bandwagon". We had too many votes spread out and needed consolidation, so my vote was entirely reasonable.

For the other parts of Spam's post, I don't disagree too much, besides thinking Claude's a less likely wolf than he claims. Rovsea doing oddities isn't too unusual for him, but it's often a sign of wolfishness, so there's a decent possibility of inquiry there. At the time I'm making this, Spam hasn't edited in entries for Jacksonian, Deathbywombat, F72Voyager, and most of Jeray's. For these four, I'd say likely villager for Jacksonian, could go either way for wombat, and Voyager's not looking great, but not a very likely pakcmate of Alynkio's either. Jeray's still a decently likely wolf in my book. Still have the jury out on Spam himself, hasn't made any votes on likely wolves, and while he's fairly active, that by no means makes him an unlikely wolf. Also has a mildly suspicious vote day one in the anti-cody movement.


I don't mind that much you staying silent initially because I would have done so too if I couldn't resist to go in guns blazing. I'm not a patient guy if it comes to WW and I think you also need people that try to get things going. Yet, maybe people should push a bit harder on you as if I read back older games, I barely see people making cases on you.

I know you pushed Alynkio in the lead at the start. I did not question your vote on Alynkio; I do not agree with you on that moving people closer as alternative bandwagons is suspicious as you want action on the early days.

After reading back, I indeed rate Claude not very high on my list.


edit: Seems I forgot about Blackcrown. I do think I said enough about him already in the topic. I still find it odd and at least notable that he tried to switch the votes around on day 1. Alynkio did that as well after reading back and rightfully caught flak for it. Yet, I feel Blackcrown tried to do the same thing and did not receive any flak for it, which I find really odd myself. Also, following Wombat around at this point feels even more suspicious to me at this point.

If I had to rate BC, I would put him between Voyager and Spockyt I suppose.
 

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I know you pushed Alynkio in the lead at the start. I did not question your vote on Alynkio; I do not agree with you on that moving people closer as alternative bandwagons is suspicious as you want action on the early days.
Ok it seems I misunderstood what you were trying to say. I thought you said my vote on alynkio was a bandwagon vote. In regards to your actual point, about whether it is suspicious for people to vote alternative candidates, you're ignoring a very salient point. Cody was a wolf, so people who pushed up alternative candidates to him could very easily be wolves who sought to help save him. Is this foolproof or an indication that everyone should have bandwagoned Cody? No, but that doesn't mean we should give a free pass to people whose actions quite possibly helped a wolf.
edit: Seems I forgot about Blackcrown. I do think I said enough about him already in the topic. I still find it odd and at least notable that he tried to switch the votes around on day 1. Alynkio did that as well after reading back and rightfully caught flak for it. Yet, I feel Blackcrown tried to do the same thing and did not receive any flak for it, which I find really odd myself. Also, following Wombat around at this point feels even more suspicious to me at this point.

If I had to rate BC, I would put him between Voyager and Spockyt I suppose.
Blackcrown got hunted.
 

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Right. Disregard my part about Blackcrown. I already wondered how I could have missed him in my initial post. It's getting late here.


I understand your point on Cody alternatives, but that's only something you can say in hindsight. If Cody turned out to be a villager, you would have had very little information so you want to encourage action as much as possible so you want something to work with. So yes, you take a chance, but I feel it was the right decision at that moment.

All I can say is that I can assure you I did not want a tie day 1 and probably would have sniped if someone tried to make a tie last minute. Since I had my vote on the alternative/JM, it's clear where that vote would have gone.
 

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but I can't help but define him as a lurker in this game at least. Based on what he did, I can't help but to rate him relatively likely to be a wolf, due to both his voting and inactivity.
Ha. I'm a lurker. I lurk. Other players can attest to this. I like your spirit, though, kid. I pop in from time to time and offer my sagacious wisdom. alynkio came on earlier (roughly whilst I was in North Carolina) and offered a fairly astounding defense. Not enough to dissuade me, mind, but enough to get me to, for the moment, look elsewhere.

And elsewhere I look, for jeray springs to mind. While it would be hypocritical of me to accuse him of lack of activity, I did come on midway through the day to change my placeholder and he did not. On top of that, his initial reasoning was solely the fact that I didn't participate in the lynching of a wolf.

In addition, wombat has kind of been throwing accusations around and it seems, to me, that he doesn't particularly care how they land. He's active, yes, but something still rubs me the wrong way.

On the other hand, Rovsea's looking fairly shifty with his really odd, seemingly very out-of-place, snipe-self-vote. I'm not sure what to make of that just yet.

As far as suspects go, those guys are my top three at the moment. No vote yet, because I want to see some reactions first.
 

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Well-thought out post from SPAMbuca. Aside from the anti-wombat analysis, of course. :D

For a defense, I would point out that BlackCrown was hunted. (Wagon's update is a bit vague, I confess) I can assure you that if I were a wolf, the hunt would not have been on Blackcrown, whom the two seer confusion made the most obvious non-seer in the game, a fact which I pointed out in thread.

This also soft clears SPAMbuca (unless he's doing a good acting job, which is a slight possibility), as any remaining wolves would have to know who they hunted.

In addition, wombat has kind of been throwing accusations around and it seems, to me, that he doesn't particularly care how they land. He's active, yes, but something still rubs me the wrong way.

Oh, I do care. Days 1 and 2 are largely for information and probing, though.

For now, SPAMbuca and Jackson are on my do not lynch under any circumstances list. Will read the thread for further details.
 

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I don't mind that much you staying silent initially because I would have done so too if I couldn't resist to go in guns blazing. I'm not a patient guy if it comes to WW and I think you also need people that try to get things going. Yet, maybe people should push a bit harder on you as if I read back older games, I barely see people making cases on you.

Making cases on aedan is notoriously difficult, since his wolf play is near indistinguishable from his villager play and when he does get lynched by normal methods he ALWAYS flips villager. Usually best to wait for an outing to deal with him if he's a baddy, as any non-insane seer will have scanned him by turn 3 or so.
 

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Anyone want some popcorn?
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Hey, Landy! Sorry for accidentally betraying you to the wolves last game:(:oops:. Thanks for the popcorn. Wanna sub for Adamgerd? PM Wagonlitz Zugliebhaber!

So, it would seem that I owe my survival to 1) Audren not showing up to defend himself or vote 2) Wombat, Claude, and Rovsea failing to co-ordinate their TIE efforts properly.

I'd be a little surprised if Claude were a wolf. He both provided a key vote toward killing Cody and was in turn voted by Cody.
Would prefer the Alynkio lynch. :/
Unvote ALynkio.
Vote Rovsea
Sure looks like Rovsea's intent in the second post is to secure a Tie between Audren and I (both villagers) even if he did not achieve his desired result. This is 2 minutes after he expressed his desire to kill me alone. Perhaps he just changed his mind about my alignment suddenly? Or is he a wolf knowingly trying to maximize villager casualties? I'm leaning wolf on Rovsea right now. His case against me yesterday was kinda weak too :p

Who would Rovsea's packmates be? Hard to say at this point. Not Spammie, I'd wager (Rovs voted him day 1, Spammie's voicing suspicion of Rovs today).
This leaves me with 2 of {Jeray, Voyager, Aedan, Spock, Wombat} as the final wolvcicles.

Probably only 1 of {Jeray, Voyager, and Spock} is a wolf, as they have all voted each other. Of the day 1 Jackson voters, I would rate Jeray's case as the most suspect. He made the case for Jackson after Spammie and I had already done so. A variation on the cliched "3rd on a bandwagon" if you will. As the last Jackson voter, his is perhaps the most likely of the Jackson votes to have been helping Cody. His 2nd day vote on Voyager was a plausible "play it safe" kinda vote; Voyager seems to have been busy driving and his vote have been kinda hasty and is thus a plausible target for a wolf vote. I'm not totally sold on this however. Rovsea and Jeray initially voted in lockstep for Spammie day 1 until the Wombat called them out for it. This would be kinda weird packmate behavior.

This leaves 1 of {Wombat, Aedan} :eek: I'm not completely dismissing the outside field {Jackson, Ramius, Claude, AdamSub, Spammie} but it would be harder to convince me of their wolfishness.

I like Spammie's post above. His wolf shortlist would seem to be {Yours Truly, Rovsea, Wombat, Aedan, Voyager, Spock} with Jeray and Claude as maybes. I would contend I don't fit well into a pack with Wombat (voted me twice :mad:), Rovsea, Aedan (his reputation for turning on packmates notwithstanding), or Voyager. Or Claude (who was pretty blase at the prospect of my death). Or Jeray (who I'm heavily fingering here). Not a lot of plausible packmates for me at this point.


VOTE ROVSEA
 

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Hey, Landy! Sorry for accidentally betraying you to the wolves last game:(:oops:. Thanks for the popcorn. Wanna sub for Adamgerd? PM Wagonlitz Zugliebhaber!

So, it would seem that I owe my survival to 1) Audren not showing up to defend himself or vote 2) Wombat, Claude, and Rovsea failing to co-ordinate their TIE efforts properly.

I'd be a little surprised if Claude were a wolf. He both provided a key vote toward killing Cody and was in turn voted by Cody.


Sure looks like Rovsea's intent in the second post is to secure a Tie between Audren and I (both villagers) even if he did not achieve his desired result. This is 2 minutes after he expressed his desire to kill me alone. Perhaps he just changed his mind about my alignment suddenly? Or is he a wolf knowingly trying to maximize villager casualties? I'm leaning wolf on Rovsea right now. His case against me yesterday was kinda weak too :p

Who would Rovsea's packmates be? Hard to say at this point. Not Spammie, I'd wager (Rovs voted him day 1, Spammie's voicing suspicion of Rovs today).
This leaves me with 2 of {Jeray, Voyager, Aedan, Spock, Wombat} as the final wolvcicles.

Probably only 1 of {Jeray, Voyager, and Spock} is a wolf, as they have all voted each other. Of the day 1 Jackson voters, I would rate Jeray's case as the most suspect. He made the case for Jackson after Spammie and I had already done so. A variation on the cliched "3rd on a bandwagon" if you will. As the last Jackson voter, his is perhaps the most likely of the Jackson votes to have been helping Cody. His 2nd day vote on Voyager was a plausible "play it safe" kinda vote; Voyager seems to have been busy driving and his vote have been kinda hasty and is thus a plausible target for a wolf vote. I'm not totally sold on this however. Rovsea and Jeray initially voted in lockstep for Spammie day 1 until the Wombat called them out for it. This would be kinda weird packmate behavior.

This leaves 1 of {Wombat, Aedan} :eek: I'm not completely dismissing the outside field {Jackson, Ramius, Claude, AdamSub, Spammie} but it would be harder to convince me of their wolfishness.

I like Spammie's post above. His wolf shortlist would seem to be {Yours Truly, Rovsea, Wombat, Aedan, Voyager, Spock} with Jeray and Claude as maybes. I would contend I don't fit well into a pack with Wombat (voted me twice :mad:), Rovsea, Aedan (his reputation for turning on packmates notwithstanding), or Voyager. Or Claude (who was pretty blase at the prospect of my death). Or Jeray (who I'm heavily fingering here). Not a lot of plausible packmates for me at this point.


VOTE ROVSEA
I wanted you dead, that is true, and I was willing to go for a TIE to make that happen. Frankly, the idea that I would blatantly try to tie 2 villagers (I'm not saying I made that assumption, but rather that your argument contends I would know that, were I a wolf) by deadline sniping when it wouldn't feasibly increase my likelihood to win (both seers still alive, 1 wolf down, not really bringing parity closer given the free TIE the village gets anyways) is insulting to my level of play. I wouldn't do that as a wolf because there's no reason to; and as evidenced even the attempt is risky, let alone the probable consequences if I succeed in TIEing 2 villagers.
 

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Well-thought out post from SPAMbuca. Aside from the anti-wombat analysis, of course. :D

For a defense, I would point out that BlackCrown was hunted. (Wagon's update is a bit vague, I confess) I can assure you that if I were a wolf, the hunt would not have been on Blackcrown, whom the two seer confusion made the most obvious non-seer in the game, a fact which I pointed out in thread.

This also soft clears SPAMbuca (unless he's doing a good acting job, which is a slight possibility), as any remaining wolves would have to know who they hunted.



Oh, I do care. Days 1 and 2 are largely for information and probing, though.

For now, SPAMbuca and Jackson are on my do not lynch under any circumstances list. Will read the thread for further details.

Appreciate you do not want to lynch me, but can you explain what happened at the end of day 2? What made you vote Alynkio first and what made you save him at the end?

Also, someone else could have sent in the hunt. BC could still be a seer, but was just confused there was another one. There could have been other reasons for a hunt on BC, so I don't see why that rules you out as wolf.


Voyager, I do like you admit to lurking, but I still think that makes things easy for wolf players. I for one, have Wombat as top suspect, but that's also because he posts a lot and has a lot to react to. I find your accusations a bit vague at the moment. Hope you'll post more soon to build more elaborate cases.


At Wombat's second post: It might be hard, but we wouldn't be WW players if we wouldn't try. Just expecting to have him seered seems strange to me. What will you do if the seers either skip him or die before he is scanned?

To Alynkio: You seem to step over the weirdness of yesterday's deadline pretty quickly, although that is to be expected if you are the one being saved. I do not agree on the points that if someone ever votes for you, they are unlikely packmates. A lot of votes have been thrown around without any consequences. I personally think quite a few alibi votes have been thrown around and to me, it seems that my top suspects have mostly avoided to vote for the same person. Something most wolf packs do.


I wanted you dead, that is true, and I was willing to go for a TIE to make that happen. Frankly, the idea that I would blatantly try to tie 2 villagers (I'm not saying I made that assumption, but rather that your argument contends I would know that, were I a wolf) by deadline sniping when it wouldn't feasibly increase my likelihood to win (both seers still alive, 1 wolf down, not really bringing parity closer given the free TIE the village gets anyways) is insulting to my level of play. I wouldn't do that as a wolf because there's no reason to; and as evidenced even the attempt is risky, let alone the probable consequences if I succeed in TIEing 2 villagers.


You don't find it suspicious Wombat counter sniped and prevented the tie then? Who are your suspects at this moment and why? What was your initial motivation to wanting Alynkio dead?

And why do you no longer want Alynkio dead? Your last message simply states it as you also tried to save him from the tie.
 
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Vote was 5-4 alynkio when I voted - Claude had just switched over.

I wanted a tie. Was a bit spooked by the late switch back on Alynkio, and put in my vote to make it 5-4 Audren. Looks like Rovsea saw claude's vote and not mine.

So I screwed up the tie. Total lack of coordination.
 

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At Wombat's second post: It might be hard, but we wouldn't be WW players if we wouldn't try. Just expecting to have him seered seems strange to me. What will you do if the seers either skip him or die before he is scanned?

What usually happens in that situation is we hope he's a villager or we lose. Because when we have tried it doesn't end well.
 

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My vote for Jackson was not a throwaway, there was a real possibility Jackson would be the lynchee. It was suspicious in that I was voting the alternate candidate to a wolf at a key moment, but I wouldn't be that blatant if I was a wolf.



It is too early for this, I really do not know.



You should be more confident in your early analysis, almost all of it is wrong and the best way to get better is to try.

I do think Jeray is worth a good look. I tried to make a case yesterday, but I bungled it at first, and when I clarified it was too late.

The case I was making was the fact that Jeray was on a throwaway, and then moved to Jackson later, moving Jackson into contention against Cody. Yesterday was another easy case, a throwaway against Voyager.

Vote Jeray.


I just followed Rovsea's vote because we're a team in the Diplomacy game and there's nothing better early Day 1.

Jacksonian should probably die though since he has no time to play. I didn't realize he was in.

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Vote Jacksonian