What? I already called you out for not giving explanations with your votes, that was a key point of my case against you. The onus was on you to provide an explanation then.
And I did, despite your seeming lack of further interest in it.
Again, what? First your "calculations" ignore the possibility that wolves might vote each other for alibis, second no one (besides HDK) could have known wagon was seer, so votes on him were no different than votes on a regular villager. It isn't a simple matter of wagon being seer making votes on him separate, since by your "calculations" the chances of voting any individual goodie would come to the same result- 1/12 chances happening as a wolf, 1/15 chances of happening as a villager. It's silly logic, and it's not even like pure probability is at play here, since people aren't just voting randomly.
It was a faux math, and I acknowledged it. You yourself acknowledge my acknowledgement in next paragraph. Seer was just died, there's no way I would have any concrete facts at this point of time as villager. Therefore, I used propabilities and ignored the effects I couldn't factor in, like alibivoting, and then started the process of elimination. Who cares how flawed it is? I wanted to use
something. And you attacking it doesn't make it any worse than it is. This whole equation rests on supposition (no alibi), and then picks people who voted confirmed goodie. Any facts are better than none. Fact here being, Wagon was seer.
Ok so I guess you address some of my complaints here. Don't know why you'd focus solely on the wagon voters if you know they aren't inherently suspicious for doing so. And I don't get why you are ok with Audren voting in self-defense, which is a silly reason for voting a person since it has no particular reason to be against a wolf. And Wagon wasn't one of the top three candidates at the time Audren voted him. No it wasn't self-defense, it was suspicion about the poor reason Wagon gave to go with his vote on Audren early in the day. The same reason Capage and K-59 voted Wagon. If you're giving a pass to one of them, you should give a pass to all of them. Or none of them, but at least be consistent.
Since when is self-defense a silly reason? The whole point of this game is supposed to be survival. But you are right, self-defense does not make him any less likely wolf. It's simply that I can understand why he moved on Wagonwagon.
And why do you say voting Wagon wasn't self-defense? At the time, he was
tied with ramius, and ramius wasn't voting him, while he was voting ramius. See the incoming snipe?
Hopping on Wagon was self-defense, as I see it, and it paid off in form of Hax, who came and
voted Wagon releasing Audren from the tie which had formed when Ark followed Audren
on Wagon bit earlier.
At the same time, Audren hopping on alynkio wasn't feasible, as he could've sniped too.
So, no, I'm not giving pass to all of them. Though Audren-Ark move is interesting, I simply suppose that it is too open to cry wolf.
Edit#2: Fixed link.
Voting up a player with no case against them, that you don't even bother thinking a case against, just to see what would happen? Of course you're going to get push back from that, more likely from villagers than anything, seeing as the death of the seer means we need to try extra hard to find wolves. Also since when is 2-3 replies massive?
Of course I'm voting up a player with no case against them, I'm raising him up to tie. He already has votes, I don't need to make case against him, especially when killing him was never the goal. I'm simply looking information here, before moving to hdk. And, to quote johho from another thread,
What's the point in voting someone if you say you are going to change the vote later on?
Also, 2-3 votes have been massive since sarcasm was invented. I paid attention to your lack of replies.
I mean, assuming we take your word for it. You only tell us this many hours after the events in question, plenty of time to cook up a reason. And it's hardly like there was a lack of a case on HDK at the time, seeing as I made one. Could very well have just been you bowing to village pressure after getting a negative reaction for causing a tie.
If I cared about opinion of the village (seems like I should start) I wouldn't have hopped on Hax in first place. Like you say, there was no case against him. Or at least I didn't see one at the time, I just paid attention earlier and wanted more moves to analyze.
Pretty convenient how you aren't willing to vote a large number of players in the game. Wonder how many are your packmates.
Let's find out?
Ok sure, if Jeray dies and is a wolf, that's pretty clearing of you, but why is he particularly likely to be a wolf? What's the case? For all you explaining in the prior post, you don't actually articulate a case again anyone, besides the silly thing about wagon voters. (I'm not denying there's a case to be made against Jeray, I could put one together myself, but I want to hear it from you, the person who's voting him).
Haven't made any yet, and, we'll see if I bother at all. I voted him in hopes of clearance, as said in my votepost.
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