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I'm 100% confused about subs (and dead people talking). I'm returning from a night shift and will respond and try to solve as soon as i reach my computer.
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When people don't vote or are otherwise incapable of doing so, whether through their own declaration or that of the GM, they are replaced with someone else. Someone almost always is subbed out.
Ghosts may haunt, taunt, or flaunt, but may NEVER suggest a course of action or reveal information that could affect the game, under penalty of permanent banning from all Werewolf games forever and ever. As far as I recall, that section of §4 has never actually been invoked.
All of this is in the fine print in the first post. You didn't actually read the fine print, did you?
Do you mean that book hidden under a spoiled button? No. But I like talking ghosts. It's more relaxed.
Read it now.
Aedan is currently my most solid read. His effort should earn him a better position in the fleet.
The problem of replecements is that they tell us absolutely nothing. We have few posts form both players, not enough to judge. I find Canad-59 more villagey than Audrenson.
I think that Black Crown is a villager, also. I'm mostly basing this on his tone.
As could be expected, I'm now highly sus of Arkasas. My other target is Jeray, who doesn't make any sense.
My vote preferences are
Jeray>Arkasas>Audren
I hope to get reads on the rest of players today. Will be around till midnight and should be more able to particippate in discussion.
Read it now.
Aedan is currently my most solid read. His effort should earn him a better position in the fleet.
The problem of replecements is that they tell us absolutely nothing. We have few posts form both players, not enough to judge. I find Canad-59 more villagey than Audrenson.
I think that Black Crown is a villager, also. I'm mostly basing this on his tone.
As could be expected, I'm now highly sus of Arkasas. My other target is Jeray, who doesn't make any sense.
My vote preferences are
Jeray>Arkasas>Audren
I hope to get reads on the rest of players today. Will be around till midnight and should be more able to particippate in discussion.
Assuming the HDK's PM's were real -- the random German was kinda reminiscent of the 'Litz -- Audren/Jackson was indeed never scanned, but this doesn't necessarily mean that he's not a wolf. After 2 days of sweating him, though, it may be time to consider other candidates... but who? If Audren/Jackson was indeed a wolf, the HDK voters look fishier. If not, then we were running up 2 villagers, and the wolves would've been apathetic or tie-seeking.
Not really feeling much more than gut instincts right now. Zombies and quasi zombies are always okay places to look.
VOTE JACOB LUNDGREN
Scratch that. I am. Considering I don't really have a case other than gut instinct, a desire to put someone new in the spotlight, and his throw-away day 2 role-play vote, y'all can basically consider this a place-holder. To clarify my position a bit further, I'd consider switching to the Capac or either of our new subs. Sorry new subs!
Not really feeling much more than gut instincts right now. Zombies and quasi zombies are always okay places to look.
How have you messed up? At least you weren't a scanned goodie voting the seer.
BC is playing his first ever lite. And I'm getting (faint, very faint) goodie vibes from him. Jacob Lundgren also had a throw-away vote yesterday and no one's braying for his blood.
VOTE JACOB LUNDGREN
Scratch that. I am. Considering I don't really have a case other than gut instinct, a desire to put someone new in the spotlight, and his throw-away day 2 role-play vote, y'all can basically consider this a place-holder. To clarify my position a bit further, I'd consider switching to the Capac or either of our new subs. Sorry new subs!
Kenko-chan, I'm beginning to worry that your name is entirely ironic; alcoholism is serious problem, but admitting you need help is the first step to confronting it.
I'm perfectly okay by E-European and Finnic standards. Until I don't cross the line of brushing my teeth with liquor I'm okay. Besides alcohol drains stamina, not health.
Sorry guys that I have been absent lately. Working night shifts really messes up the sleep rhythm....
I'm too lazy to create votecounts for all days but I will do day 1 which is the day that will give us the most info.
I'm too lazy to create votecounts for all days but I will do day 1 which is the day that will give us the most info.
DAY 1 VOTECOUNT
Wagonlitz: 5
Capage [98]
k-59 [107]
Audren [74 ramius -> 117]
Arkasas [82 ramius -> 129]
the_hdk [94 Audren -> 139]
Audren: 4
Rascar Capac [77]
Wagonlitz [79]
Claude LC [106]
Hax [133 Wagonlitz -> 141]
alynkio: 3
jeray2000 [68]
aedan777 [110]
Health [111]
ramius: 2
jacob-Lundgren [73]
BlackCrown [75]
Hax: 1
alynkio [123]
aedan777: 1
ramius [91]
Wagonlitz: 5
Capage [98]
k-59 [107]
Audren [74 ramius -> 117]
Arkasas [82 ramius -> 129]
the_hdk [94 Audren -> 139]
Audren: 4
Rascar Capac [77]
Wagonlitz [79]
Claude LC [106]
Hax [133 Wagonlitz -> 141]
alynkio: 3
jeray2000 [68]
aedan777 [110]
Health [111]
ramius: 2
jacob-Lundgren [73]
BlackCrown [75]
Hax: 1
alynkio [123]
aedan777: 1
ramius [91]
Is it his first? I'm getting endlessly confused between him and Griffin and bigs and Resistance.
Unvote BlackCrown
Vote Ramius
Ramius had a throwaway vote Day 1.
All of j-L's votes have been either throw away votes or votes that don't have no real impact, and as alynkio said he haven't got any spotlight. Time to get some...
VOTE jacob-Lundgren
VOTE jacob-Lundgren
Maybe its because voting with me would have hurt the wolves cause and thus they avoid who I vote?
So, I went through the thread again and made this list
Officers
Alynkio
Aedan
k-59/Canadian
Rascar
Black Crown
Invaders
Ramius
Hax
jacob-Lundgren
Audren/Jackson
Arkasas
Jeray
Ok, some people can't be obviously together, there isn't need for distancing in this choas. So, hanging Ramius would get us intel of Lund and vice versa. Also, I find Rascar's posts likable and the case on him makes me slightly sus about my top villa Aedan. But his reasoning makes sense enough to keep the status.
Rasmius almost disappeared after d1. He posted a well-reasoned vote d2 and nothing else. In comparison to Lund's posts Lund looks more wolfy to me.
I don't really see Hax being wolf, but they didn't do anything to convince me otherwise.
I don't like Lund's vote (#272). We should get more out of him.
VOTE JACOB LUNDGREN
Officers
Alynkio
Aedan
k-59/Canadian
Rascar
Black Crown
Invaders
Ramius
Hax
jacob-Lundgren
Audren/Jackson
Arkasas
Jeray
Ok, some people can't be obviously together, there isn't need for distancing in this choas. So, hanging Ramius would get us intel of Lund and vice versa. Also, I find Rascar's posts likable and the case on him makes me slightly sus about my top villa Aedan. But his reasoning makes sense enough to keep the status.
Rasmius almost disappeared after d1. He posted a well-reasoned vote d2 and nothing else. In comparison to Lund's posts Lund looks more wolfy to me.
I don't really see Hax being wolf, but they didn't do anything to convince me otherwise.
I don't like Lund's vote (#272). We should get more out of him.
VOTE JACOB LUNDGREN
So, despite my La Forge quote, nobody has actually asked me to explain my votes, while citing lack of reasons to vote me. What are you doing, aedan, hmm? Are you seeking the truth here or just initiating the easiest lynch?
Too bad! I'll tell you anyway.
To the Defense of Geordi:
I'm just not sure. About anything.
When Mr. Spock of all people gave face to lynching our seer on D1 in a manner most illogical, I did some faux math, with no paper or calculator, at morning night.
Before night 1, there were 16 players, of which 4 were wolves. Assuming wolves do not vote each other, they have chance of 1/12 to vote seer, compared to 1/15 for villager. Several other things being equal, that would make everyone who voted Wagon slightly more likely wolf than rest of us.
Naturally, other things are not equal. This does not take into account alibivoting, bandwagons, personality or self-defense. To maximize randomness, it made sense to pick earliest possible voter, that being Capage. But he's new, so I disqualified him and moved onto next in list, k-59 (turned Canadian).
I was hesitant to vote either Arkasas or Audren. Ark was just too forward, and Audren had actually legit reason to be in that train, self-defense. That left k-59 and hdk to my kill list that day.
Then case formed on hdk, making him actually killable. I had no reason to be lone voter on k-59, so I decided to move, but hopped on Hax first to see what would happen. Besides people mentioned earlier, he and aedan (of the living players) had made pay attention, Hax by his switch on D1, aedan by his massive amount of replies (2-3 or something) at the time.
Well, what happened? Health broke tie, while aedan, Arkasas and jeray protested against the tie in unison. Still, I think my sticking on Hax paid something.
Inside the man's mind:
jeray unvoted Hax and hopped on Audren very next minute after my switch on hdk. So why did I switch? To make sure hdk would be killed in any case, for reasons given in this post.
This, I think, should make it clear that I and jeray are not packmates. If we were part of same informed, communicating sub-group, we wouldn't act with such uncoordination.
So, who to vote today? I'm being more or less run up, self-preservation is in order. I might have reason to vote Capage and k-59/Canadian for same logic than before, but one is new and one just subbed in. I might vote BlackCrown, for messing with the votecounts twice, but he's new as well. I might vote Audren/Jackson, for recently realizing that Wagon in fact might've scanned him, but he, too, just subbed in. I might vote aedan for revenge, but that doesn't help me.
Too bad! I'll tell you anyway.
To the Defense of Geordi:
I'm just not sure. About anything.
When Mr. Spock of all people gave face to lynching our seer on D1 in a manner most illogical, I did some faux math, with no paper or calculator, at morning night.
Before night 1, there were 16 players, of which 4 were wolves. Assuming wolves do not vote each other, they have chance of 1/12 to vote seer, compared to 1/15 for villager. Several other things being equal, that would make everyone who voted Wagon slightly more likely wolf than rest of us.
Naturally, other things are not equal. This does not take into account alibivoting, bandwagons, personality or self-defense. To maximize randomness, it made sense to pick earliest possible voter, that being Capage. But he's new, so I disqualified him and moved onto next in list, k-59 (turned Canadian).
I was hesitant to vote either Arkasas or Audren. Ark was just too forward, and Audren had actually legit reason to be in that train, self-defense. That left k-59 and hdk to my kill list that day.
Then case formed on hdk, making him actually killable. I had no reason to be lone voter on k-59, so I decided to move, but hopped on Hax first to see what would happen. Besides people mentioned earlier, he and aedan (of the living players) had made pay attention, Hax by his switch on D1, aedan by his massive amount of replies (2-3 or something) at the time.
Well, what happened? Health broke tie, while aedan, Arkasas and jeray protested against the tie in unison. Still, I think my sticking on Hax paid something.
Inside the man's mind:
jeray unvoted Hax and hopped on Audren very next minute after my switch on hdk. So why did I switch? To make sure hdk would be killed in any case, for reasons given in this post.
This, I think, should make it clear that I and jeray are not packmates. If we were part of same informed, communicating sub-group, we wouldn't act with such uncoordination.
So, who to vote today? I'm being more or less run up, self-preservation is in order. I might have reason to vote Capage and k-59/Canadian for same logic than before, but one is new and one just subbed in. I might vote BlackCrown, for messing with the votecounts twice, but he's new as well. I might vote Audren/Jackson, for recently realizing that Wagon in fact might've scanned him, but he, too, just subbed in. I might vote aedan for revenge, but that doesn't help me.
This is nice, Rascar. I'm jumping on that wagon. My reason to vote jeray is less classy (he's doing some random stuff and his switch to Audren yesterday lacks any logic. He wants to keep it close unvoting hax and voting for Audren right after mentioning that a TIE is not a way. Also Hax's self-preservetion vote came as unsatisfactory).
VOTE JERAY
VOTE JERAY
Rascar (2) - aedan [248], jacob [268]
jacob (2) - alynkio [265], Hax [271]
jeray (2) - Rascar [276], Capage [274 jacob >> 279]
ramius (1) - jeray [260 BlackCrown >> 270]
Not voted (5) - Arkasas, Audren/Jackson, BlackCrown, k59/Canadian, ramius
Edit: Rechecked and right, ignoring the posts after this one.
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