Werewolf Lite CCCLXXXI: The Battle of Madrid

[npstr]

lets go through this:

JL sees a fake outing happening
we have 14 players alive, so are waaaaaay from parity

why on earth would the JL out itself to prevent it? from he JLs point of view, either me or cliges is a guaranteed wolf. the JL has absolutely no reason to be saving cliges here, unless cliges is the seer (fuck my luck in that case, fake scanning the real seer, you may call me the idiot that lost us the game then)

or

or

or
....

jackson is packmates with cliges
if they manage to lynch me, (and they know im not the real seer), there will be no reason for the village to have cliges and jackson lynched too, cuz "look at that npstr went full cody"


so which one if this is it, jackson? did I seriously PMed the seer cliges? in which case the game is 95% lost anyways
or are you packmates with cliges?

real JL, see that you dont out yourself.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Yes, should it come up again.

Such things are normally conveyed per PM to prevent giving away data.

 

[EUROO7]

I can confirm those are my words.

Napster's probably just an idiot, but still a lynchable offense.

 

[aedan777]

Ok, right, you see this?

I can't even begin to fathom the kind of nonsensical shenanigans it would take to make this true

Still hold to this. Complete insanity, no idea what npstr was expecting here. That said I certainly believe npstr's claim that he did all that, unless Euro and Cliges both deny this entire affair. Way too inane to completely invent.

Npstr successfully caught Cliges not caring about the game/pms he receives. Literally means nothing. He could be a wolf, he could be a villager, Cliges just doesn't care sometimes. I'm going back to my gut feeling on spockyt.

Unvote Npstr Vote Spockyt

 

[Spockyt]

Well, Npstr fake outing for reactions was one option I considered (but forgot to put) so this is plausible.

Fine.

Unvote Npstr.

I'll also humour you with Cliges, for now at least.

Vote Cliges.

 

[EUROO7]

jackson kinda ruined the reactions tho

Jackson is also an idiot, but not as big as you.

 

[jeray2000]

I'm going to stick with npstr for now. He was my lead suspect before this nonsense for wanting to tie three people, and I'll put 50/50 odds on him being a backpedaling wolf or telling the truth so no need to change my vote.

 

[Cliges]

So-is this the new style where we "claim" roles and proceed based on how reactions go?

Ok, right, you see this?

Still hold to this. Complete insanity, no idea what npstr was expecting here. That said I certainly believe npstr's claim that he did all that, unless Euro and Cliges both deny this entire affair. Way too inane to completely invent.

Npstr successfully caught Cliges not caring about the game/pms he receives. Literally means nothing. He could be a wolf, he could be a villager, Cliges just doesn't care sometimes. I'm going back to my gut feeling on spockyt.

Unvote Npstr Vote Spockyt

No, NPSTR seemingly failed to detect a couple of obvious jokes. ("I told you not to scan Cliges", "It was beyond my control".)

Then NPSTR ,so I thought, faked an ambiguous outing in order to see the results.

Then I keep reading and discover that NPSTR either has no idea what he's doing or else engages in some sort of double bluff to protect himself as seer.

 

[Jacksonian Missionary]

lets go through this:

JL sees a fake outing happening
we have 14 players alive, so are waaaaaay from parity

why on earth would the JL out itself to prevent it? from he JLs point of view, either me or cliges is a guaranteed wolf. the JL has absolutely no reason to be saving cliges here, unless cliges is the seer (fuck my luck in that case, fake scanning the real seer, you may call me the idiot that lost us the game then)

or

or

or
....

jackson is packmates with cliges
if they manage to lynch me, (and they know im not the real seer), there will be no reason for the village to have cliges and jackson lynched too, cuz "look at that npstr went full cody"


so which one if this is it, jackson? did I seriously PMed the seer cliges? in which case the game is 95% lost anyways
or are you packmates with cliges?

real JL, see that you dont out yourself.

This is some of the biggest nonsense I've ever been accused of in my time playing Werewolf, and I've played with Torn and TonkaToy. I outed myself to stop what was a fake outing that was neither plausible nor coherent. If I didn't out myself as a JL member, how could I randomly guess that you would come back and say "Lolz guys, this was just to see if I could get a reaction out of Cliges." I mean do you really expect the JL to just sit back and let someone pretend to be the JL? You of all people after witnessing what happened in the big should realize what messes fake outings can cause, especially in a lite. To even begin to suggest that Cliges and I is absurd since 1. No one has counterclaimed my allegiance to the JL and 2. You have proved essentially nothing with Cliges, all you are going off of is Cliges' normal behavior of not really caring all that much. Sure, it gives him a little bit of suspicion and a decent vote today. The only thing I will agree on for the moment is that you may not be the best lynch.

Unvote Npstr

 

[EUROO7]

I mean do you really expect the JL to just sit back and let someone pretend to be the JL?

Yes.

If a fake JL outs a villager, it is discredited without the real JL having to do anything. If a fake JL outs a wolf, let the wolves sort out the fakers while the real JL works behind the scenes to find more wolves.

You outed yourself for no reason.

EDIT: Rather, a bad reason.

 

[Cliges]

I can vouch for the authenticity of the first PM and the group PM.

As for the exchanges purportedly sent only to EURO on the same day, that's another matter. Though it would be an odd coincidence that I suggested that he scan EURO but he had conveniently already sent a similar message to him.

 

[De Chatillôn]

All this seems stupid as hell. I dont see why those PMs make Cliges a wolf. By the other way I dont think a wolf would go to make an "outing" of another player, that seems even more stupid so I dont find npstr as a good target either. Im not saying that we couldnt have a wolf in this group but the reasons for voting one or the other are pretty stupid. The only player who seems clear here is Jackson, when I agree with Euro that it wasnt necessary out himself as a JL member.

Now for my vote, I've found spockyt suspicious before all this mess, the fact that he's following npstr's "outing" even after we know all the nonsense that it is makes me think that he's even more suspicious so Im going with him

Vote Spockyt

 

[Audren]

Well, Npstr fake outing for reactions was one option I considered (but forgot to put) so this is plausible.

I don't believe this, and I don't believe you. npstr's findings are not nearly damning enough to come to any real conclusion, and I also don't like how you're giving yourself the wiggle room here "for now at least" to get out of this vote.

VOTE SPOCKYT

 

[DragonOfAtlantis]

Unvote npstr
Vote Spockyt

 

[Audren]

Unvote npstr
Vote Spockyt

Why?

 

[Capibara]

VOTE COUNT (4 hours, 25 minutes to deadline)​

npstr: 4
EUROO7 (166)
LatinKaiser (178)
Rovsea (Cliges 182 -> 186)
jeray2000 (npstr 170 -> Cilges 181 -> 191)

Spockyt: 4
aedan777 (Spockyt 169 -> npstr 194 -> 204)
De Chatillôn (212)
Audren (213)
DragonOfAtlantis (npstr 184 -> 214)

Cliges: 2
nsptr (173)
Spockyt (npstr 196 -> 205)

Not voted:
Jacksonian Missionary (npstr 183 -> unvoted)
Health
Tornadoli
Cliges

 

[Tornadoli]

The contrast between serious-npstr as a fascist GM in the big, and bumbling fool-npstr who doesn't even capitalise the first letters of his sentences is... staggering.

npstr's outing is one of the dumbest things I've seen on these forums (sorry npstr :/) To be honest, I believe him that he is a villager, as I honestly can't see a wolf do that (and I'm leaning toward this just being a brainfart by a village npstr). My other suspicion is that a certain chemical was involved... (tip: it starts with "alc" and ends with "ohol").

I agree with EURO that Jackson outing himself as a real JL member was an idiotic move and only serves to harm this village, especially because npstr's botched outing wasn't in the least believable.

I think the case on spocky is the best we have. Why? He voted me when the votecount was: me 3, ramius 3, f72voyager 2, latinkaiser 2. He voted me to put it to me 4, ramius 3, f72voyager 2, latinkaiser 2. We know that he couldn't have been saving ramius as he turned out to be a villager. Also, I know that I'm a goodie. Who could spocky have been saving? I feel like he might have been saving either f72voyager or latinkaiser - by trying to make it a contest between me and ramius instead (i.e. he was trying to consolidate it to me and ramius).

Vote SpockyT

If SpockyT turns out to be a baddie, we have to take a close look at latinkaiser and f72voyager.

 

[Tornadoli]

Never mind, didn't notice that f72voyager is dead. My idea becomes only half as strong now and hinges on Latinkaiser being a wolf.

 

[Tornadoli]

Ok, after reconsidering that my case against spocky isn't as strong as I thought, let me suggest a different candidate: rovsea.

His posts after the outing:

Vote Cliges

Unvote Cliges, Vote npstr

Does this look like the usual Rovsea to you guys? Would a goodie rovsea just mindlessly following an obviously fake and botched outing without even questioning it with one word? And then just switch his vote without any other word at all? I don't think so.

Unvote SpockyT
Vote Rovsea

 

[Health]

Right, what in the flipping hell did you try npstr? It seems too dumb to be a villager or a wolf. Regardless, I'd like to know the reasoning for the Spockyt votes. I get that aedan has a gut feeling, however this all seems very odd from the others, especially Dragon, who has yet to explain his vote. However Torn makes sort of a point towards a case on Rovsea. He seemed to be rather uninvolved with it, but did still vote. So, could you explain yourself Dragon of Bhutan.

VOTE ROVSEA