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No. The game livens up when the players make it so. Seer dying has nothing to do with it per se. The outing really killed the game for a day and momentum was lost. Let's see if it can be regained.
*sigh* the game GENERALLY livens up more when the seer is dead compared to when the JL are outing people halfway through the day. Let's stop the nitpicking and let me focus on finding the remaining wolves.
Cross post
Not a lot on Day 1. I put almost no stock in any of the arguments that I've seen from the day. Only worthwhile thing is votes. Hazbot voted Jacksonian solidly and never changed, and was never in danger; nothing to learn from him. The only thing worth looking at (but it IS worth looking at) is the briefly lived surge towards Wagonlitz. I'm looking at it at the moment, but it is made harder by the fact the GM is not making any votecounts, not even at the end of the day.
I am actually a lot less enthused about vote analysing with almost no records of anything. Will take a bit longer.
Not a lot on Day 1. I put almost no stock in any of the arguments that I've seen from the day. Only worthwhile thing is votes. Hazbot voted Jacksonian solidly and never changed, and was never in danger; nothing to learn from him. The only thing worth looking at (but it IS worth looking at) is the briefly lived surge towards Wagonlitz. I'm looking at it at the moment, but it is made harder by the fact the GM is not making any votecounts, not even at the end of the day.
I am actually a lot less enthused about vote analysing with almost no records of anything. Will take a bit longer.
My notes from the first two days.
Marshall defending Wagon and attacking Audren in return. Still sound logic.
Hazbot puts Jackson back in the 1 vote lead, choosing him over Marty, Wagon and Audren - all at two votes.
Audren drops away from Wagon, seemingly due to reasons provided against Wagon's death rather than any danger.
I find these two posts rather suspicious, as at that point Wagon was just getting back in the race. Marty immediately exits once his mind penetrates the mist of alcohol.
Then day 2.
Audren is early onto Wagon again. It seems unlikely that they would be packmates.
Can't be bothered to quote any longer, but:
Skob does some good work and puts Hazbot on the map rather early.
Marty suggests hunts are classic him, prepared for wolves to throw him under the bus. Pre-emptive defense as Marshall concludes. Again, marty not looking so stellar.
Marshall also starts the track on Hazbot, pointing out the lazy vote. Not necessary at the time. He does however switch away, preferring me instead during the last 10 minutes.
Euro switches off Hazbot, left at 3 votes, and onto Wagon 35 min before deadline. Then switches around a bit and lands on Ike, but is crucial in removing a vote from me - leading to the death of Hazbot.
Audren switching to Wagon from Spocky, putting Hazbot in an at that point uncontested lead. Then over to me. Clearly states unwillingness to kill Hazbot and enables the counter-push.
Now, I don't think Audren is a wolf. If he is, he is brutal to his packmates.
I'm a bit unsure of Marshall and Skob, but leaning towards them not being wolves. Same with Euro.
That leaves marty, who has acted strangely and doesn't seem to be on top of his game here.
Vote Marty
Marshall defending Wagon and attacking Audren in return. Still sound logic.
Hazbot puts Jackson back in the 1 vote lead, choosing him over Marty, Wagon and Audren - all at two votes.
Audren drops away from Wagon, seemingly due to reasons provided against Wagon's death rather than any danger.
I find these two posts rather suspicious, as at that point Wagon was just getting back in the race. Marty immediately exits once his mind penetrates the mist of alcohol.
Then day 2.
Audren is early onto Wagon again. It seems unlikely that they would be packmates.
Can't be bothered to quote any longer, but:
Skob does some good work and puts Hazbot on the map rather early.
Marty suggests hunts are classic him, prepared for wolves to throw him under the bus. Pre-emptive defense as Marshall concludes. Again, marty not looking so stellar.
Marshall also starts the track on Hazbot, pointing out the lazy vote. Not necessary at the time. He does however switch away, preferring me instead during the last 10 minutes.
Euro switches off Hazbot, left at 3 votes, and onto Wagon 35 min before deadline. Then switches around a bit and lands on Ike, but is crucial in removing a vote from me - leading to the death of Hazbot.
Audren switching to Wagon from Spocky, putting Hazbot in an at that point uncontested lead. Then over to me. Clearly states unwillingness to kill Hazbot and enables the counter-push.
Now, I don't think Audren is a wolf. If he is, he is brutal to his packmates.
I'm a bit unsure of Marshall and Skob, but leaning towards them not being wolves. Same with Euro.
That leaves marty, who has acted strangely and doesn't seem to be on top of his game here.
Vote Marty
Not pre-emptive as I showed in the thread. You're reading selectively here.
I will admit I skimmed a bit, but you PMing with Euro and then deciding to comment on the hunts doesn't change my opinion about you.
But it makes what you said a lie, that it was pre-emptive. I mean it may not change your opinion of my role, but it does change that. A defence is not pre-emptive if you get accused of something before employing the defence, by definition.
Well, him along with tamius and aedan. Not getting much to go on for those three yet.
Fair enough. Still doesn't change the fact that I think you belong among today's suspects, but I will concede that the defence was not entirely pre-emptive given that you had been privately accused.
Fair enough. I can't argue that I've been too quiet. I'm starting working on it now, but the lack of votecounts is not helping me at all. There is absolutely no end of day votecount for Day 1 which I thought was generally the bare minimum. Also dead players have been banned from making votecounts exacerbating the problem.
Edit: Thank you Wombat! (And Skobes, obviously)
Well, I'm not unreasonable. Convince me of someone else as a worthy lynch.
And ghosts have never done votecounts have they?
Sometimes they can be allowed to. I mean they shouldn't be doing it, but if the GM isn't doing them either we'd be kinda screwed if not for Skobelev.
I'm working on it.
In Last Council I was shanghaied to do official votecounts as soon as I died due to the GM being drunk as a rat every night---well beat being the official PM dump that Panzer became.
deathbytwombat: 2
Gen. Skobelev [665]
Gen. Marshall [670]
marty99: 2
Rovsea [668]
Najs [685]
Audren: 1
deathbytwombat [680]
not voted: 5
tamius23 []
marty99 []
aedan777 []
Audren []
EUROO7 []
Gen. Skobelev [665]
Gen. Marshall [670]
marty99: 2
Rovsea [668]
Najs [685]
Audren: 1
deathbytwombat [680]
not voted: 5
tamius23 []
marty99 []
aedan777 []
Audren []
EUROO7 []
Yeah but that's the thing - they need to be made to contribute more. By threat of lynch if they won't play ball otherwise. Without seer we won't be spoon fed any more baddies so everybody must contribute.
This is how I found Madchemist two games ago when he was a wolf. He made some idiotic case in the thread, a case that Madchemist knew was piss-poor, and he called it good.
Wombat does the same here with his "Audren/Euro pack possibility". Nobody in their right mind would think that Audren or I should be lynched before a great many people in the game right now. It is known that Wombat is not an idiot, therefore he must be a wolf.
Vote Wombat
Wombat does the same here with his "Audren/Euro pack possibility". Nobody in their right mind would think that Audren or I should be lynched before a great many people in the game right now. It is known that Wombat is not an idiot, therefore he must be a wolf.
Vote Wombat