Wagonlitz is right that it is detrimental to just go with formulaic vote on day one without doing much else. Rovsea is also quite right in his arguments for voting Marty. If everybody just sits and waits for things to happen they won't. I don't think they are very likely candidates to actually do hemp fandango on day 1, though. Both Rovsea & Wagonlitz know this - which might mean they are ballsy to try it anyway. Or... it's safe way to alibi vote. Something to keep in mind, perhaps. *shrug*
Of course Rovsea attacking Wagonlitz for his vote seems oddish. Jacksonian at least seems to have genuine dislike of/ongoing feud with Wagonlitz which might explain his vote a bit.
Other than that, some seemingly random votes & one revenge vote. Hmph.
vote Emperor Ike
as I don't like his no explanation vote. Most others at least provided some sort of reasoning, at least after some prodding.
Ike is again a candidate today - this got the ball rolling on the case against him earlier.
Hmm. I find this an intriguing post.
What the hell is the case on Wagon? Some BS I made up to see how Wagon would react?
Interesting. Rovsea defends Wagon a bit after making up a case he himself considers BS.
It sounds to me like a sense of holy purpose, a duty I can respect.
It's less about what's compelling about Wagon's case and more about what's not compelling about the other cases. Jackson's votes come almost exclusively from the holy purpose outlined above; self-improvement. I respect these votes, but they have no bearing on Jackson's actual role. marty's votes are votes probing for reactions. Wagon, however, is acting at least slightly suspicious, with his idealogically sound but almost certainly useless vote on Aedan, which villager ought to know would amount to nothing. I find this to make Wagon slightly more likely to be hairy than Jackson or marty, and I'm going to use my vote to find wolves, not probe other players. I'll leave the probing to y'all.
So Audren's case on Wagon is that wagon is engaging in a largely symbolic vote against aedan. I find this a bad case, because wagon is known for making symbolic votes. Rovsea apparently agreed with this sentiment...
Just in case (this is just in case, mind you) I can't be on later, I think that Audren's thinking that there is actually a valid reason to vote Wagon is suspicious.
Unvote marty99, Vote Audren
UNVOTE JACKSON
VOTE Rovsea
What a twist!
Interesting. Switches over from Jackson to Rovsea when the case on Jackson gets hotter, and when called on his initial vote by Gen. Skobelev - but again gives no reason for his switches.
VOTE JACKSON
Because it would be quite funny if he turned out to be a wolf.
Keep an eye on this guy - this vote put Jackson back into contention, plus it had no reasoning behind it.
I find it highly suspicious that people think it odd that the "case" on Wagon is invalid, and that somehow Audren still doesn't have the most votes.
Going after Audren.
Wait...have i NOT POSTED THIS?
"Unvote Tamius23
Vote Emperor Ike
Tamius has only 1 vote, so consolidation. I've never voted Ike before, nor played with him, so this vote's for him. I do appreciate his co-op megacampaign AARs.
As said I won't be cogent in a couple of hours. So while I'm away, today is not a great day for a tie. Don't railroad one person just to avoid it, but do try to avoid a tie when it comes to the deadline. Peace ooot."
Vote that puts Ike into relative contention.
No, I don't like this. I was right the first time.
UNVOTE IKE
VOTE WAGON
Jumps off Ike onto his preferred candidate.
Why Jackson and not Audren.
Audren has generally been trying to appear useful and also supported the vote switch, much like Jackson. I find not being useful on Day 1 less suspicious than pretending to be useful.
Marshall is on the Audren train with Rovsea, until Jackson's outburst at the end.
I don't particularly like the cases on either Wagon or Jackson, so I guess I'll
Vote Ike.
Last ditch effort to kill Ike, or an alibi vote on a packmate? I'm thinking possibly the latter.
I still find his initial vote of Aedan to be uncharacteristic of Wagon; he isn't really one to usually care about those, IIRC. I find it odd that there was such a strong defense to Wagon's vote, particularly from Rovsea (who apparently didn't actually vote him, my mistake). I find his support for the switch to be odd, and his defense of it odder. Jackson's actions in the past hour or so have become increasingly wolfish, thereby making it more likely in my eyes that Wagon's support of a switch was in part a move away from Jackson. At this point, I find Jackson and Wagon very likely packmates, and Wagon remains a decent, though not excellent, lynch even if Jackson is a villager.
Still beating the Wagon drum, although seems more sure of Jackson's guilt now. Interesting. Not sure a wolf Audren would post this way. Also, wolf Audren spammed the thread with irrelevant stuff in the Big; all of his posts are relevant here.
No, Jackson's meltdown is characteristic of his wolf play. He is angry not at being lynched as a villager, but for being lynched as a wolf for what he sees are stupid reasons.
Posts like this make me slightly less suspicious of Audren - to say this after deadline would be odd behavior from a wolf.
We've yet to determine if EURO's assertiveness is a wolf trait or a EURO trait. This can be determined by lynching Wagon. Whether my escaping a lynch is notable is further supported by the other candidates voted yesterday being villagers, which can be ascertained by lynching Wagon. Whether Rovsea's interactions with Wagon are wolfish can be supported by lynching Wagon.
VOTE WAGONLITZ
Tunneling hard on Wagon.
I'm not liking this post. Audren never said Euro was a bad lynch, nor did he claim Euro to be a likely villager. He merely pointed out the flaws in the case presented against Euro. Villagers should always be critical of flaws they see in cases being presented, since the person making the cases could have an agenda opposed to the village. Colouring Audren's rightful criticism as protecting euro seeks to imply that Audren has a motive to see euro remain alive, which most likely would make them packmates. Rovsea is more and more becoming my favourite candidate for the day.
So because my question is meant to imply that they could be packmates; yes, I acknowledge that's what it's meant to do, it's bad? No, aedan, you're wrong. I find it interesting that Audren went out of his way to offer an opinion, yes aedan, an opinion, that can in no way be verifiable, to protect another player. I think that this is a huge overreaction to me doing nothing more than prodding Audren.
What a fascinating and compelling defense. Anyone who thought of voting you will surely be dissuaded by this stunning piece of rhetoric and logic.
I'm still thinking Rovsea's the most suspicion, from his odd fixation on his case on Wagonlitz and the fallout in relation to Audren. His response to my posts today make him seem worse, since he defaulted to aggressive defense when I hadn't voted him, and backed off as soon as I pointed that out. Seems like a wolf trying to keep votes off him more than a villager trying to find wolves.
Vote Rovsea
Well Audren is fixated in turn on Wagon, and Rovsea is right to point that out, although I think it's a case of two villagers shouting at one another. Consider yourself a bit more of a suspect in my book, Aedan.
While Wagonlitz would be a decent lynch, I personally believe there could be a great deal to learn from lynching Ike. After all, he was the center of a switch that crumbled as quick as it arose. This would of course assume that at least one or two Ike-voters were wolves who decided to bail when it got too hot. I like it for now.
Vote Ike
I tend to agree with this assessment, since Ike's reasons for voting people are... not particularly helpful and basically amount to "bite me." Actually, fits in with tamius' running theory that packmates tend to alibi vote day 1 as well, if his theory that spock is a wolf is correct.
Vote Emperor Ike
Also a bit wary of spock (that last throwaway vote on Ike when Jackson was dead to rights, Hazbot (3rd vote on Jackson, making him back into a contender), aedan (see my comment on his vote), and Marty (see below).
I have an odd feeling the wolves are trying to frame me. The last two hunts are classic me. There's no one else who would generally make those hunts, except for EURO.
I would make those hunts as well (although Jackson would have been my first hunt this time around). There was a vet hunt game a while back - and people REALLY got pissed at that, so the community seems to have gone back to bullying newbies for the first couple nights before killing off the new players. Don't be such a narcissist.
