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Also at Wagon; you point to the 7 people online for being suspect. The update was at 21:49 (!) and your post was at 21:56 (!).

Question: Do you claim you were not online prior to the update? Yes or No?
 

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by your logic, wouldn't you be more likely to hit the seer as well?
Yes. But unless the wolves are idiots they can deduce the exact same thing.
why would black Griffin, who is still learning the ropes of WW, be put in charge of the hunts?
If he was the guy first online he could well have put in a hunt.
Vote Wagonlitz

For trying to use gamey stuff as a reason to vote someone
Guys remember what happened last game where people didn't listen to me. I had two wolves down and they ended up lynching me and winning.
And doing this isn't gamey at all. We do it every time the GM messes up like this.
 

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Also at Wagon; you point to the 7 people online for being suspect. The update was at 21:49 (!) and your post was at 21:56 (!).

Question: Do you claim you were not online prior to the update? Yes or No?
I wasn't online when the update came. And if you look again I only wrote 6 people in my list, but said 7. The reason being that I posted in the thread hours before deadline. I do know I am no wolf though hence why I didn't mention myself.
 

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Yes. But unless the wolves are idiots they can deduce the exact same thing.

So what are you implying? We should do the wolves job for them and lynch the seer? Still at terrible idea.

I wasn't online when the update came. And if you look again I only wrote 6 people in my list, but said 7. The reason being that I posted in the thread hours before deadline. I do know I am no wolf though hence why I didn't mention myself.

So you happened to come online 7 minutes after the deadline came. Coincidence, right? Especially considering you going for the cheap vote on those online (btw haven't responded to my comment on previous page).

Anyway, this is more than enough for my vote on you and I urge others to follow suit and not hide behind 3*6/21 of signup numbers.
 

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So what are you implying? We should do the wolves job for them and lynch the seer? Still at terrible idea.
No I am saying that the seer is toast no matter what if the wolves aren't idiots; hence why I said that kai should have rerolled. But I didn't specifically point it out just in case the wolves are idiots.
So you happened to come online 7 minutes after the deadline came. Coincidence, right? Especially considering you going for the cheap vote on those online (btw haven't responded to my comment on previous page).
I posted 4 hours before the update. So that I coincidentally came here 7 minutes past deadline means nothing since I was here hours previously. And people showing up just past the update doesn't really mean much when the update comes at such a strange time.

And what comment did I miss?
 

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Well, since Wagon spilled the beans anyway, there's an above average chance of hitting the seer amongst those seven people. So let's not vote them.'

Unvote Daffius
Vote Teep
 

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No I am saying that the seer is toast no matter what if the wolves aren't idiots; hence why I said that kai should have rerolled. But I didn't specifically point it out just in case the wolves are idiots.

Yes, the seer is toast no matter what. However it is preferable that the seer is hunted to the seer being lynched. So basically what we know by your logic (if we assume Kaiser got all orders and only those that posted were online as you imply).

-1 out of the 7 players is a wolf
-1 out of the 7 players is a seer

The question then is, do we pick from the 7? The answer is a definite; NO. Why? Because we have 4 wolves, meaning that we can have up to 3 wolves from the remaining 9 players, hence we have not reduced the number of potential wolves at all.
On the other hand we chance lynching the seer. Yes, the wolves will hunt from that list of 7, that's unfortunate (hack GM is hack), but we should not lynch them as we do not have a higher chance of hitting a wolf but have a higher chance of hitting the seer. Even if we do not hit the seer, as long as we kill a villager we reduce potential hunt targets. The best we can do at this point is to leave as many as possible alive from the seven to give the seer the biggest chance to hide, wouldn't you agree?

Here comes the twist:
1) You agree - meaning you either wanted to kill the seer (bad intention) or you were dumb (you can admit it)
2) You don't agree - in which case I'm looking forward to a compelling case why you think lynching from the list of 7 (which you thought were online and sent orders) is a good idea


(response to that tomorrow, I'm off to bed)
 

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Yes, the seer is toast no matter what. However it is preferable that the seer is hunted to the seer being lynched. So basically what we know by your logic (if we assume Kaiser got all orders and only those that posted were online as you imply).

-1 out of the 7 players is a wolf
-1 out of the 7 players is a seer

The question then is, do we pick from the 7? The answer is a definite; NO. Why? Because we have 4 wolves, meaning that we can have up to 3 wolves from the remaining 9 players, hence we have not reduced the number of potential wolves at all.
On the other hand we chance lynching the seer. Yes, the wolves will hunt from that list of 7, that's unfortunate (hack GM is hack), but we should not lynch them as we do not have a higher chance of hitting a wolf but have a higher chance of hitting the seer. Even if we do not hit the seer, as long as we kill a villager we reduce potential hunt targets. The best we can do at this point is to leave as many as possible alive from the seven to give the seer the biggest chance to hide, wouldn't you agree?

Here comes the twist:
1) You agree - meaning you either wanted to kill the seer (bad intention) or you were dumb (you can admit it)
2) You don't agree - in which case I'm looking forward to a compelling case why you think lynching from the list of 7 (which you thought were online and sent orders) is a good idea


(response to that tomorrow, I'm off to bed)
I hadn't thought about that. It is a really good point. Call it being dumb if you want.

Also Unvote Griffin
Vote Audren


He stands accused of not posting before the update. (Also since I am among the 7 and a likely hunt: Remember that if the hunt on the 7 suddenly stops then there is a good chance the rest or most of the rest are wolves. Even if the seer is dead since these 7 could be considered semi cleared. Or not since all 4 wolves could be among them. Anyway don't just clear all of them if the hunts on them suddenly stops.)
 

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Ugh, this is why it should've been rerolled. This is not proper Werewolf.

Anyway, it's dumb to vote any of the seven, but it's also dumb to vote Wagon for being dumb.

VOTE TEEP
 

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Forgive my rudeness, but Wagon handled the situation in practically the worst way possible. Daffius has already pointed out the flaws in his plan from a purely technical standpoint. But worse, how many players would have figured out which players were more likely seers (yes, I know he tried not to discuss the seer possibility, but it was only a matter of time before some helpful soul pointed out that his logic of a wolf among the 7 applied to the seer, as well) if Wagon hadn't trumpeted it from the online housetops?

I'm not even sure how accurate his whole theory is. Sure, we know the 7 people Wagon listed were online; do we know for certain that the other 9 players he mentioned weren't online at that time? Seems like much ado about very little. Regardless, Wagon's probably a goodie for trying to nail a wolf first day and positing a theory, albeit a bad one. I'm going to...

Vote Rovsea

3rd voter on Griffin, with no stated justification, putting him into the lead. Sure, he was probably following Wagon's case, and Griffin is by no means cleared, but that vote just screams laziness.

Also, as an editorial note, lynching new and/or just returning players on the first day for stray comments (i.e., Myoon the previous game) is a sure way to kill learning villagers, drive new players from the game, and make for insanely long signup periods (which caused this mess in the first place).
 

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I will sub out, because:

A.) My eyes are very tired.

B.) Finals week strikes again.

C.) EURO deserves a chance to play.
 

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I agree with Wombat, I voted Teep because he didn't have any vote, but I didn't want to lynch him for real. Now he seems in danger, maybe he's a baddie but he's a returning player so we can wait a little bit.

Unvote Teep
Vote DeathByWombat.
 

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I agree with Wombat, I voted Teep because he didn't have any vote, but I didn't want to lynch him for real. Now he seems in danger, maybe he's a baddie but he's a returning player so we can wait a little bit.

Unvote Teep
Vote DeathByWombat.
So you agree with Wombat so... Vote Wombat?
 

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This whole "online" thing ruins the game. My vote's staying on Wagon
 

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This whole "online" thing ruins the game. My vote's staying on Wagon

It'd also be pretty dumb for Wagon Wolf to go "Oh, we can narrow down the Seer to seven players," and then publicly reveal it for the whole world to see, when he could just say "lol, got the Seer" and tell his packmates. It's not like commenting on it would give him any goodie points.
 

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It'd also be pretty dumb for Wagon Wolf to go "Oh, we can narrow down the Seer to seven players," and then publicly reveal it for the whole world to see, when he could just say "lol, got the Seer" and tell his packmates. It's not like commenting on it would give him any goodie points.
True, but we have seen wolf Wagon do some incredibly stupid things
 

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NIGHT 0

"Yeah, I heard it has like, things that are good for your hair and stuff". Agran? Angar? Who cares. You're starving and they seemed edible enough to quench your hunger for at least an hour. However, you probably didn't think it was poisoned, and you also didn't think it would give you fatal explosive diarrhea. The last thing you could see before dying were goats on a tree. Man, what a trip."

HEALTH THE
VILLAGER HAS BEEN HUNTED

DAY 1 HAS BEGUN
And that would be how being wrong works.
The real problem is posting the update at a time which very clearly is not the deadline. Doesn't matter how slow signups are; just start the game at the normal deadline. It can wait.
Seriously, if you can post the night 0 update at a reasonable time why can't you just make deadline for the whole game then instead of this stupid early deadline you have now.
 

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