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al-Aziz

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Well, I voted Luft at 7:30 ish, but I gave up when it seemed nothing would come of it. I think it would be the best course of action for the village to hang Luftwafer.
See, now I don't want to go for Luftwafer.
It will be immensely suspicious if everyone agrees to Luftwafer, because then we know the wolves are okay with him (see quoted post). I think we want to pick the most controversial candidates- unless it's a double-cross and the wolves are okay with Luft because they know we're wary of that- but I like the evidence against Wagonlitz and I don't have as much against Luft, so I'll ignore this double-crossing stuff.

I won't have much time at all before deadline after a few hours after this post, because school and actually working hard thence. I hope it turns out well and please don't let Wagonlitz command everyone into obedience at deadline like yesterday.
 

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I am disappointed in you all.

Start voting correctly. I'm not sure I've ever seen a GM post so many "Correct your vote" type messages to the players in a game before, and this is only a Lite.
 

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I am disappointed in you all.

Start voting correctly. I'm not sure I've ever seen a GM post so many "Correct your vote" type messages to the players in a game before, and this is only a Lite.
I think this sort of thing has become normal. I just decided to point it out as much as possible so hopefully people will learn better.
 

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I'm going to be asleep, so I'm not going to be around to help with analysis, I'm afraid. I should be back awake at deadline though.Good luck Village, I trust in you to make the right decision, and win it for us (or at least take some wolves out with us.)
 

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I am disappointed in you all.

Start voting correctly. I'm not sure I've ever seen a GM post so many "Correct your vote" type messages to the players in a game before, and this is only a Lite.

I think this sort of thing has become normal. I just decided to point it out as much as possible so hopefully people will learn better.

Let me start

Vote K-59
Did I vote correctly :p
 

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Let me start

Vote K-59
Did I vote correctly :p
Yes.

Vote count for poster most likely to be clebating a world seris victory in a few weeks:

k-59, 1; Jerman TK (405)

Go Cubs Go!
 

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Yes.

Vote count for poster most likely to be clebating a world seris victory in a few weeks:

k-59, 1; Jerman TK (405)

Go Cubs Go!
 

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Sub for the second time.

also Luftwafer on your comment about being hunted as the seer night 0, that was blind luck that it went down that way... different to being hunted twice without having a chance to contribute when it had already been made clear I was returning from about 3 or 4 month break iirc.
 

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Vote count, 12 hours left:

Wagonlitz 2; Jacksonian Missionary (360) al-Aziz (375)
al-Aziz 2; Wagonlitz (358) Aedan777 (386)
Jacksonian Missionary 1; Spockyt (Luf 347-->365)


Non-voters, 4; GreatUberGreek Gen. Skobelev Luftwafer V2 Audren
 

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sorry K-59 wasn't trying to imply anything or give advice just point out something to luftwafer
 

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Let's not have ghost discussing hunt motives.

sorry K-59 wasn't trying to imply anything or give advice just point out something to luftwafer

Exactly his point, ghosts shouldn't point out anything to living players.

Trust me, I also would like to participate in the hunt debate, seeing as my name was specifically raised, but alas... we'll just have to wait till post game.
 

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NIGHT 1

Luft the seer is hunted.

DAY 1/NIGHT 2

AvatarOfKhaine: 4
Audren [129]
JermanTK [140]
brovahkiin [145 Gen. Skobelev -> 168]
Gen. Skobelev [139 deathbywombat -> 169]

Gorgon: 3
GreatUberGreek [128]
Gorganslayer [134]
deathbywombat [123 Audren -> 155]

deathbywombat: 3
aedan777 [118]
Gorgon [142]
Wagonlitz [144 AvatarOfKhaine -> 172]

aedan777: 1
Jacksonian Missionary [124]

Jacksonian Missionary: 1
Spockyt [130]

Lufwafer: 1
Health [143]

Wagonlitz: 1
AvatarOfKhaine [147]


not voted: 2
Lufwafer
Al-Aziz

AvatarOfKhaine the villager is lynched.

NIGHT 2

Gorgon the villager is hunted.

DAY 2/NIGHT 3

brovahkiin: 3
al-Aziz [198]
Lufwafer [213]
Spockyt [222 Wagonlitz -> 228 deathbywombat -> 242]

JermanTK: 3
Wagonlitz [214]
Audren [210 Health -> 244]
brovahkiin [199 al-Aziz -> 222 deathbywombat -> 245]

deathbywombat: 2
GreatUberGreek [219]
aedan777 [207 brovahkiin -> 255]

Health: 1
Gen. Skobelev [203]

Wagonlitz: 1
JermanTK [204]

Luftwafer: 1
Jacksonian Missionary [193]

Jacksonian Missionary: 1
Health [208]

Spockyt: 1
deathbywombat [211 brovahkiin -> 233]


not voted: 1
Gorganslayer []

JermanTK villager is lynched.
brovahkiin the villager is lynched.

NIGHT 3

deathbywombat the villager is hunted.

DAY 3/NIGHT 4

Health: 5
aedan777 [271]
Audren [283]
Wagonlitz [293]
Spockyt [313]
Lufwafer [315 Wagonlitz -> 331]

Spockyt: 3
al-Aziz [227 aedan777 -> 277]
GreatUberGreek [284]
Gorganslayer [288]

GreatUberGreek: 2
Gen. Skobelev [289]
Health [296]

Lufwafer: 1
Jacksonian Missionary [312 GreatUberGeek -> 314 Spockyt -> 334]

Health the villager is lynched.

NIGHT 4

Gorganslayer the villager is hunted.
 

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Unvote wagon
Vote Health

We have already had our tie this game correct? So we need to lynch a wolf. Health has atleast been an unhelpful villager, and is the best lunch we have now the seer is dead. thanks RNG!

He has been doing useless votes e.g his vote on Jackson which meant a lynch on two Viagras was allowed to carry on.

He has also been pretty italic and hasn't been defending him/herself I'm not sure which

Eh? How could you have known Health was (unhelpful) villager before update? The thanking of RNG could be because you were seer, but... your post reminds me very much of a wolf who's gathered to gloat the win. Can't help but think you are already in celebration mode and then you remembered the game ain't over.

Especially as you next posted some rather nonsensical stuff that had little bearing on the discussion

JermanTK the normal demon is lynched.

Brovahkiin the normal demon is lynched.

Deathbywombat the normal demon is hunted.

Our previous tie

Then again, Luftwafer could be easy scapegoat for the wolves and Wagonlitz, Spockyt and Jacksonian Missionary are quick to pounce on that post. Hmm. Then again,

I'm pretty confident first night hunts are random correct? They had a 1 in 13 chance of getting the seer and they did

Notice the auto correct of villager is viagra

makes me think he's backtracking his slip - how could anybody but wolf know the rationale behind hunts? Sure, RNG is not a bad guess but seems he was 100% sure earlier and now is backtracking on it.


I don't suppose it is too early to

Vote Luftwafer?

Can't decide if it's easy vote for scapegoat or the most obvious wolf.


Lunch
The autocorrect of lunch that I have done every game I have ever been in

What a croc ax!

Perhaps. It still won't explain the apparent inside info about hunt and RNG.


I'm thinking the pack is Al-Aziz, Jacksonian, Audren, and GUG. Luftwafer and Spockyt are too easy targets, I don't think Skobelev or Wagon would have let Gorganslayer get hunted right away for a second time this game, and none of them have put serious votes against each other.

Hmm. GuG as wolf at least would explain the rather apparent lack of interest in voting him yesterday. Audren has been very quiet nor has he had any time in the spotlight so he could very well fit with almost any pack. While Luftwafer and Spockyt are indeed easy targets it's also true that both have said rather dubious things. Spockyt has been run up while Luftwafer hasn't which might mean Luftwafer is the more likely wolf of them. Both al-Aziz and Jacksonian seem unlikely packmates with both Wagonlitz and Spockyt but they would fit fairly well with most others.

Also, while I generally agree with the position about who wouldn't hunt like the hunts have been it's not enough for certainty. It's always possible packmates could make new hunt order. As it is, seems a wee bit too adamant position to take that hunts clear people at this stage.


Yeah I have been thinking Aziz and Jackson were shady too. Though you could also be a wolf. I agree with you that Skobie wouldn't hunt Gorgan immediately after he subbed in---especially not when he already died once and this is his first game in a really long time.

And yes Luft probably is too easy a target, since he makes such strange posts both as a villager and as a wolf.

I will open the ball.

Vote Jackson

He fits a likely pack and he was rather reluctant to switch away from a TIE yesterday. Actually on the other hand he could have sniped in a TIE and won assuming Spock isn't a wolf.

Unvote Jackson
Vote Aziz

Actually Jackson couldn't have sniped to tie after Luftwafer moved his vote. I wouldn't still discount the option of Luft or Spocky being a wolf even though they are rather easy targets atm.



Your "reputation" means nothing Wagon, it's simply a self-conceived idea that you believe you can hide behind to make yourself "cleared". None of us are cleared, which makes me very suspicious why you think it's impossible for anyone to think your a wolf just because the hunt was a dick move.

No, considering that we haven't caught a wolf we really don't have much solid evidence to go on. So while it's certainly not ironclad alibi it's good to keep in mind. Then again, it's indeed fair to deny anybody being cleared at this point without seer scans/wolf lynches.


To be honest I just put out that possible pack based on a hunch and to see how people responded, which is why I made no vote. Wagonlitz, Jacksonian, and al Aziz all reacted like I'd expect them to act as wolves- Immediately drawing the game into lines of the people who are accusing them and those who aren't. I also didn't fully clarify how the gorganslayer hunt played into it. I specifically mentioned Wagonlitz and Skobelev as unlikely to do that, however Al Aziz is right that she is also unlikely to do that. But she subbed in, and while so did skobelev, he made a coloured vote count and would know who was hunted. Al aziz was less active and might not have realised it with the standing order or chosen hunt target.

I mean this is really flimsy, but with no seer and no dead wolves, the main info we have is who have not voted for possible packmates and the hunts. Perhaps my initial dismissal of Luft and spockyt for being easy candidates was too hasty, but considering the overall responses to my post, I'd say al Aziz and Jacksonian are coming across as likely packmates

Vote Al Aziz

I don't particularly trust wagonlitz though, except that he doesn't fit well in a pack with other candidates. Sure there's the hunts like I pointed out, but he's made mistakes previously this game. He was also rather hasty to take my "case" and run with it.

Assuming, of course, that there's not going to be the good old snipe at deadline. But yeah, people did indeed jump quite quickly to your pack (even though villagers could only make a guess at this point) suggestion and used that as a basis. Mind you, it wasn't bad guess per se but it was seen a wee bit too favourably soon enough. Either you are onto something with that or it was seen as a quick way to jump to conclusions.



Anyways. Seeing it's the final day it looks like Wagonlitz & aedan777 would be unlikely packmates with al-Aziz. Jacksonian Missionary and Wagonlitz are unlikely packmates. Jackson made lots of odd posts last night at around deadline which would be more characteristic for some poorer player perhaps. I want to see what others have to say today (also tired as hell, looks like flu returned with vengeance).
 

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I think it's disconcerting that Wagon is using such things are his honour to defend himself, instead of having a more substantial defense to his suspicious actions. I think y'all are putting too much importance in the hunts, particularly Wagon. With rare exception (hunting all vets, for example), I don't think analyzing hunts gives us much information. Luft and Spock have both been acting foolish, but Spock has been run up a lot with no avail, and Luft is an easy, easy lynch. I'm doubtful that either are wolves, but they certainly could be. Jackson is being voted for.... some reason. al-Aziz hasn't gotten much attention up until now, but it's hard to see much into that either way. Her voting record is actually not bad, considering we've yet to catch a wolf. She's been the first person on her target on each day and hasn't switched, so she hasn't been bandwagoning or waiting to see the "best" candidates.

Out of those being run up so far, I feel that Wagon is the best candidate.

VOTE WAGONLITZ
 

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Meh. Waiting for any action seems pointless as the game is so quiet. Might as well vote now and try to see later if there's more clues.

vote al-Aziz
 

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Wagonlitz: 3
Jacksonian Missionary [360]
al-Aziz [375]
Audren [415]

al-Aziz: 3
Wagonlitz [358 Jacksonian Missionary -> 358]
aedan777 [386]
Gen. Skobelev [416]

Jacksonian Missionary: 1
Spockyt [347 Luftwafer -> 365]


not voted: 2
Lufwafer []
GreatUberGreek []
 

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Vote Wagon
Honour and integrity isn't a proper defence, only 1 wolf has to vote to hunt somebody. So he wouldn't have to vote for the person who was hunted.

Unless he can come up with a better defence he seems like the best lunch
 

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Vote Wagon
Honour and integrity isn't a proper defence, only 1 wolf has to vote to hunt somebody. So he wouldn't have to vote for the person who was hunted.

Unless he can come up with a better defence he seems like the best lunch
You are truly the e.e. cummings of werewolf.
 

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Vote Wagon
Honour and integrity isn't a proper defence, only 1 wolf has to vote to hunt somebody. So he wouldn't have to vote for the person who was hunted.

Unless he can come up with a better defence he seems like the best lunch
Ok, I'm now utterly convinced Wagonlitz is a villager. The only pack he could be in at this point is Wagon-skobelev-GUG-Spockyt, and I really don't see that as a potential team.