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Sorry @Cliges about not using the golden age of hot dog stalls, but after our discussion if the Copenhagen Slums I remembered the Slum Stormer movement and thought that'd be a better theme. Anyway don't think I ever got round to explaining what it was. The golden age of hot dog stalls was from after the end of WWII (i.e. late 40s) to the early 70s. It ended due to foreign fast food restaurants like McDonalds and Burger King arriving and taking part of the market with their non movable restaurants.
 

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Well'a, ciao! Welcome'a to my'a game'a of'a werewolf! You'a are'a in'a little'a village in'a Southern'a Bell-a Itali-a! Your job'a is make'a good pizza, your'a hobby is'a to make'a good pizza, and'a at night'a, you dream'a of making'a good pizza! But'a, what's this'a? Pizza Hut? Dominoes Pizza? What is'a this'a thick cake that'a pretends'a to be pizza!? Are'a some Americanos tryin'a to infiltrate us'a?!

Link'a: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/foru...erewolf-ccxiii-italian-pizza-industry.978459/
 

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Quick thought: we had no halloween theme this year.
 

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I can do a spooky Halloween Game.

I may or may not be bringing back Werewolf realism, after reading the oblique "You see them here, you see them there" thread.
 

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But if I did a Werewolf game, it would have to be much less based on Werewolf gameplay.
 

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Yeah, well maybe we Americans think that St. Henrik's Day is overrated.

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But if I did a Werewolf game, it would have to be much less based on Werewolf gameplay.
What do you mean?


Also am I the only one for whom the fora have been slow all night?
Yeah, well maybe we Americans think that St. Henrik's Day is overrated.
St. who's day? Do you mean St. Hans' day where we light bonfires and burn witches to the glee of children?
If so then why not compare Halloween to our fastelavn instead, since that's a kind of carnival where people dress up, go around from house to house singing and asking for candy/cake or they will make trouble, and people beat cats out of barrels. That seems really similar yo halloween; although as far as I'm aware you don't beat cats out of barrels at halloween. But the dress up and children walking from door to door is the same as far as I'm aware. Also before you claim that we have ripped off Halloween then fastelavn is ages old---and in fact the state has tried to subdue it longer than the US has existed or even been colonised. When we switched to protestantism in 1533 the church decided that fastelavn was a dastardly thing the peasants most certainly shouldn't be allowed to practice anymore (i.e. it was already a really old and established practice in 1533), so the next few centuries church and king tried to forbid and outlaw the practice---with absolutely no luck, since nothing happened. Although you don't have the large parades you did in the past and as late as the 50s. Back then adults really participated too and it was much much more lively and brutal.
In some areas it e.g. was tradition to rip the necks of geese.
 

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Damn peasants won't listen to thing they're told.
Indeed. Though I'm happy that they refused to stop celebrating fastelavn, since I really liked it as a child. Though probably for the best that the geese neck ripping has stopped, as far as I know. No idea if the geese were alive or not. Also I'd wager they were eaten afterwards so I guess that makes it less horrible. It's really fun being dressed up and together with other dressed up children beating the cat out of the barrel. Though these days there aren't live cats in them anymore, since that's animal tormenting and that was recently made illegal by parliament. Instead there are candy and oranges in it. And the one knocking the bottom out of the barrel (it is on a rope and hung from a high thing) becomes cat queen and the one knocking down the last board (i.e. one of the ones with the rope fastened to it) becomes cat king.

We also still have St. Lucia dancings, where you walk in line with candles singing the St. Lucia song.


And with regard to the peasants then they used to do loads of things church and king didn't like and tried to forbid. E.g. the Christmas games which were played by young adults and were sexual in nature. (And hence absolutely verboten according to the church; the peasants didn't listen though. Neither did they listen to the countless times the king decided to forbid Christmas games and other sinful activities.)
There were similar things on other holidays. In the end church and king decided to cull loads of holidays, since if they didn't exist anymore the peasants couldn't be sinful; and according to the church those holidays were primarily spent drinking, whoring, eating, and in other ways being sinful. So in 1770 around 60% of all holidays got the axe. Including 3rd Christmas day, 3rd Easter day, 3nd day of pentecost, Saint Hans (that one kept being celebrated though), All Hallows Eve, and many others. In those times the administration had some kind of race to see who could be most pious. In 1730 they e.g. managed to convince the king, who was really pious and tried in all ways to be a good Christian, that going to the theatre was sinful so it was forbidden to run a theatre or in other ways entertain the public, which meant that the Royal Theatre was closed and Holberg (Danish Shakespeare) put our of work (though that made him write philosophical epistles instead). Only when Frederik V became king in 1746 were theatres allowed again (and the Royal Theatre was refounded in 1748), since he loved threatres and opposite his father, Christian VI, he wasn't really pious at all. Already Christian VI lives Frederik was a notorious guest at the pubs and brothels of Copenhagen and Christian seriously thought about disinheriting Frederik. In the end that didn't happen and Frederik kept living a life of loads of booze and women. He even got a pornography room made at Rosenborg. And he had his childhood friend and closest advisor cover for him when he was in various brothels having a good time. He also was of the opinion that the general public should have a good and fun time and could indulge in sin if they wanted. To no surprise the church didn't really like him.
 

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And with regard to the peasants then they used to do loads of things church and king didn't like and tried to forbid. E.g. the Christmas games which were played by young adults and were sexual in nature. (And hence absolutely verboten according to the church; the peasants didn't listen though. Neither did they listen to the countless times the king decided to forbid Christmas games and other sinful activities.)
There were similar things on other holidays. In the end church and king decided to cull loads of holidays, since if they didn't exist anymore the peasants couldn't be sinful; and according to the church those holidays were primarily spent drinking, whoring, eating, and in other ways being sinful. So in 1770 around 60% of all holidays got the axe. Including 3rd Christmas day, 3rd Easter day, 3nd day of pentecost, Saint Hans (that one kept being celebrated though), All Hallows Eve, and many others. In those times the administration had some kind of race to see who could be most pious. In 1730 they e.g. managed to convince the king, who was really pious and tried in all ways to be a good Christian, that going to the theatre was sinful so it was forbidden to run a theatre or in other ways entertain the public, which meant that the Royal Theatre was closed and Holberg (Danish Shakespeare) put our of work (though that made him write philosophical epistles instead). Only when Frederik V became king in 1746 were theatres allowed again (and the Royal Theatre was refounded in 1748), since he loved threatres and opposite his father, Christian VI, he wasn't really pious at all. Already Christian VI lives Frederik was a notorious guest at the pubs and brothels of Copenhagen and Christian seriously thought about disinheriting Frederik. In the end that didn't happen and Frederik kept living a life of loads of booze and women. He even got a pornography room made at Rosenborg. And he had his childhood friend and closest advisor cover for him when he was in various brothels having a good time. He also was of the opinion that the general public should have a good and fun time and could indulge in sin if they wanted. To no surprise the church didn't really like him.

Didn't that sort of thing happen to just about every European nation from 1500-1800?
 

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Indeed. Though I'm happy that they refused to stop celebrating fastelavn, since I really liked it as a child. Though probably for the best that the geese neck ripping has stopped, as far as I know. No idea if the geese were alive or not. Also I'd wager they were eaten afterwards so I guess that makes it less horrible. It's really fun being dressed up and together with other dressed up children beating the cat out of the barrel. Though these days there aren't live cats in them anymore, since that's animal tormenting and that was recently made illegal by parliament. Instead there are candy and oranges in it. And the one knocking the bottom out of the barrel (it is on a rope and hung from a high thing) becomes cat queen and the one knocking down the last board (i.e. one of the ones with the rope fastened to it) becomes cat king.

We also still have St. Lucia dancings, where you walk in line with candles singing the St. Lucia song.


And with regard to the peasants then they used to do loads of things church and king didn't like and tried to forbid. E.g. the Christmas games which were played by young adults and were sexual in nature. (And hence absolutely verboten according to the church; the peasants didn't listen though. Neither did they listen to the countless times the king decided to forbid Christmas games and other sinful activities.)
There were similar things on other holidays. In the end church and king decided to cull loads of holidays, since if they didn't exist anymore the peasants couldn't be sinful; and according to the church those holidays were primarily spent drinking, whoring, eating, and in other ways being sinful. So in 1770 around 60% of all holidays got the axe. Including 3rd Christmas day, 3rd Easter day, 3nd day of pentecost, Saint Hans (that one kept being celebrated though), All Hallows Eve, and many others. In those times the administration had some kind of race to see who could be most pious. In 1730 they e.g. managed to convince the king, who was really pious and tried in all ways to be a good Christian, that going to the theatre was sinful so it was forbidden to run a theatre or in other ways entertain the public, which meant that the Royal Theatre was closed and Holberg (Danish Shakespeare) put our of work (though that made him write philosophical epistles instead). Only when Frederik V became king in 1746 were theatres allowed again (and the Royal Theatre was refounded in 1748), since he loved threatres and opposite his father, Christian VI, he wasn't really pious at all. Already Christian VI lives Frederik was a notorious guest at the pubs and brothels of Copenhagen and Christian seriously thought about disinheriting Frederik. In the end that didn't happen and Frederik kept living a life of loads of booze and women. He even got a pornography room made at Rosenborg. And he had his childhood friend and closest advisor cover for him when he was in various brothels having a good time. He also was of the opinion that the general public should have a good and fun time and could indulge in sin if they wanted. To no surprise the church didn't really like him.

I never realized that Danes were such a sensual people.

I think we've hit upon the perfect theme for a WW Christmas game this year...
 

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Didn't that sort of thing happen to just about every European nation from 1500-1800?
Most likely. It at least wasn't something unique to Denmark. Though I do find it really funny how a really pious king (who had himself and his family live really pious and sin free lives; and the general population too, since if the royal family was to live piously then so was everybody) was followed by probably the most sinful Danish king ever. While all kings used to have mistresses and drink their brains out Frederik V really took it to the extreme with how he spent most of his time in pubs and brothels.

Perhaps he felt he had to make up for all the piousness he had had as a child.:p
 

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I never realized that Danes were such a sensual people.

I think we've hit upon the perfect theme for a WW Christmas game this year...
I somehow doubt that RPing highly sexual games is allowed.:p
One of them for instance was being in a dark room and then having to find out who the other people were through groping. How would you RP that? "And then he found her bosom and after a thorough investigation determined that it was Maren..."
Another was the "cake kneading" where a table was filled with people of the same sex lying on it. Then members of the opposite sex would be placed on top of the first person in the line on the table and be used as a human rolling pin with the two people rolling the pin making sure to press the pin firmly into the dough to properly knead the cake.
And there were countless of those games; they all disappeared in the late 1800s as people moved to the cities and traditional peasant life disappeared; some are preserved in writing.
 

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Indeed. Though I'm happy that they refused to stop celebrating fastelavn, since I really liked it as a child. Though probably for the best that the geese neck ripping has stopped, as far as I know. No idea if the geese were alive or not. Also I'd wager they were eaten afterwards so I guess that makes it less horrible. It's really fun being dressed up and together with other dressed up children beating the cat out of the barrel. Though these days there aren't live cats in them anymore, since that's animal tormenting and that was recently made illegal by parliament. Instead there are candy and oranges in it. And the one knocking the bottom out of the barrel (it is on a rope and hung from a high thing) becomes cat queen and the one knocking down the last board (i.e. one of the ones with the rope fastened to it) becomes cat king.

We also still have St. Lucia dancings, where you walk in line with candles singing the St. Lucia song.


And with regard to the peasants then they used to do loads of things church and king didn't like and tried to forbid. E.g. the Christmas games which were played by young adults and were sexual in nature. (And hence absolutely verboten according to the church; the peasants didn't listen though. Neither did they listen to the countless times the king decided to forbid Christmas games and other sinful activities.)
There were similar things on other holidays. In the end church and king decided to cull loads of holidays, since if they didn't exist anymore the peasants couldn't be sinful; and according to the church those holidays were primarily spent drinking, whoring, eating, and in other ways being sinful. So in 1770 around 60% of all holidays got the axe. Including 3rd Christmas day, 3rd Easter day, 3nd day of pentecost, Saint Hans (that one kept being celebrated though), All Hallows Eve, and many others. In those times the administration had some kind of race to see who could be most pious. In 1730 they e.g. managed to convince the king, who was really pious and tried in all ways to be a good Christian, that going to the theatre was sinful so it was forbidden to run a theatre or in other ways entertain the public, which meant that the Royal Theatre was closed and Holberg (Danish Shakespeare) put our of work (though that made him write philosophical epistles instead). Only when Frederik V became king in 1746 were theatres allowed again (and the Royal Theatre was refounded in 1748), since he loved threatres and opposite his father, Christian VI, he wasn't really pious at all. Already Christian VI lives Frederik was a notorious guest at the pubs and brothels of Copenhagen and Christian seriously thought about disinheriting Frederik. In the end that didn't happen and Frederik kept living a life of loads of booze and women. He even got a pornography room made at Rosenborg. And he had his childhood friend and closest advisor cover for him when he was in various brothels having a good time. He also was of the opinion that the general public should have a good and fun time and could indulge in sin if they wanted. To no surprise the church didn't really like him.
Cromwell was leagues ahead of Christian VI, much earlier, and more effective too.