Werewolf General Planning Thread

[Wagonlitz]

One batch came to Virgina after the Puritan launched their rebellion against the Stuarts.

English revolution?

Maybe our ancestors met at a slave auction? That's an intriguing possibility.

Probably unlikely. Firstly I don't know if my ancestors traded in slaves/owned slaves (though given much of the nobility did it is far from impossible). Secondly it would have been on the Danish West Indian Isles (US VIrgin Islands since the US in 1917 gave us an offer we couldn't refuse). Thirdly we did all our slave imports ourselves from own fortresses in Africa. In fact we were one of the biggest slave traders and per capita we end up even higher on the list. And fourthly the owners most often stayed in Europe and had people doing the dirty work.
And and now we are speaking of slave trading I was reminded of the terminology used back then. In a geography book (which is supposed to be used to teach geography in the Latin Schools (equivalent of high school)) from 1797 the entire coast of Africa from Senegal to Congo is called Negerkysterne (the n**ro coasts) and it is told how the inhabitants are bad Muslims and fetishists. Says quite a bit about their view of blacks; the description of the Hottentots in South Africa isn't particularly stellar either.
It is actually quite fun to look at how they described things back then. For the Americas they for instance tell how the Spaniards have managed to put loads of Wilds under the yoke. And the Wild are those who have yet to come under the yoke of the Europeans. And that is said as if it was the most natural thing and as if putting people under the yoke was a good thing.
Oh and here you have the description of Virginia since we discussed it:
10. Virginia at the bay Chesapeac.
Villiamsbury, (between the York and James rivers), is the seat of the government; has a rich college and academy.
Indigen is the name of a district by the river Ohir, which the natives have surrendered.
This colony was founded in 1606 and especially has famous tobacco farming.

By the way of the then 15 states (13 colonies plus Vermont and Kentucky) only Pennsylvania has a longer description than Virginia. New York, Massachusetts and South Carolina has descriptions of about the same length of Virginia. Washington DC, and Maryland has descriptions a little bit shorter.

Quadroon is a cool word which I had not heard before, and I believe Cliges should be commended for it.

It mainly reminds me of Mischling...

 

[Spockyt]

English revolution?

"The" English Civil war, Roundheads, (Parliament) lead by the Puritan Oliver Cromwell, and Cavaliers, (Monarchists) lead by Charles I. It ended up with Parliament voting to execute Charles I and Oliver Cromwell founding the short lived Commonwealth, till he died, and his son (Richard?) took over, but the nobility overthrew him and Charles II took the throne.

 

[Cliges]

Quadroon is a cool word which I had not heard before, and I believe Cliges should be commended for it.


I would be a peasant, albeit in one of the newest countries on that fair European continent.

Aww, thanks. I just like words, is all.

For added cultural context, here is American hero Leadbelly lamenting his yellow gal spending too much money.

English revolution?

They're calling it that now?

Oh and here you have the description of Virginia since we discussed it:

Description by whom?

 

[Wagonlitz]

"The" English Civil war, Roundheads, (Parliament) lead by the Puritan Oliver Cromwell, and Cavaliers, (Monarchists) lead by Charles I. It ended up with Parliament voting to execute Charles I and Oliver Cromwell founding the short lived Commonwealth, till he died, and his son (Richard?) took over, but the nobility overthrew him and Charles II took the throne.

I know what happened; just misremembered the name.

 

[Gen. Marshall]

Did someone just say "negro" and edit it out?

 

[Cliges]

Did someone just say "negro" and edit it out?

Formatting error, but yes.

I'd deem "negro" as more antiquated than anything.

 

[Gen. Marshall]

Formatting error, but yes.

I'd deem "negro" as more antiquated than anything.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Did someone just say "negro" and edit it out?

Didn't edit it out; starred it on purpose to not risk trouble. The coast of West Africa was called Negerkysterne which translates to the N**ro Coasts so I had to use it, since calling it the Black Coasts would be manipulating the translation.

Formatting error, but yes.

How as it a formatting error? It is supposed to be N***o instead?

 

[Gen. Marshall]

Didn't edit it out; starred it on purpose to not risk trouble. The coast of West Africa was called Negerkysterne which translates to the N**ro Coasts so I had to use it, since calling it the Black Coasts would be manipulating the translation.
How as it a formatting error? It is supposed to be N***o instead?

No, Cliges said nigger pardon, negro in a post of his.

 

[Cliges]

But we had Negro League baseball. And as a child I had a book called "Famous American Negros".

 

[Gen. Marshall]

a book called "Famous American Negros".

Yeah, you're right. That sounds incredibly 1930's

 

[Wagonlitz]

Description by whom?

Well the book is by Danish--Norwegian geographer Christian Sommerfelt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Sommerfeldt

Don't know where he had the reportings on the US from (is it wrong? Should Virginia have been less prominently featured than Maryland and DC?). Perhaps he went there himself. Or he use other sources.
Generally he used first class sources. His parts on the Orient for instance comes from what he was told by the famous Carsten Niebuhr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carsten_Niebuhr

 

[happycats517]

1850s? I'd be a craftsman in Piedmont and later a soldier in the Sardinian army during the Second Italian War for Independence.

 

[Cliges]

Well the book is by Danish--Norwegian geographer Christian Sommerfelt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Sommerfeldt

Don't know where he had the reportings on the US from (is it wrong? Should Virginia have been less prominently featured than Maryland and DC?). Perhaps he went there himself. Or he use other sources.
Generally he used first class sources. His parts on the Orient for instance comes from what he was told by the famous Carsten Niebuhr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carsten_Niebuhr

Villiamsbury isn't the capital anymore. But the university (William and Mary) is still there.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Villiamsbury isn't the capital anymore. But the university (William and Mary) is still there.

You are aware this book was printed in 1797?

 

[LatinKaiser]

1850s? I'd be a craftsman in Piedmont and later a soldier in the Sardinian army during the Second Italian War for Independence.

Is it bad that I thought you meant North Carolina for a moment?

In 1850 I'd already be in America, as my ancestors arrived in 1846 (well, the most recent ones, that is).

 

[Cliges]

You are aware this book was printed in 1797?

But Richmond became the capital in 1780.

 

[Wagonlitz]

But Richmond became the capital in 1780.

That is clearly an oversight then. (Which is understandable given how the Americas are in the absolute back of the book (only Australia is less covered) and South American has more weight put on it due to being more important.)
The first edition was printed in 1776---i.e. when Villiamsbury was still capital. What I am looking in is the 5th edition. Though it has been updated for the US since it does have them independent, notes how Washington will be the capital from 1800, has Vermont and Kentucky, and other things. Though the capital of Virginia changing apparently slipped through the cracks.

 

[EUROO7]

Danemark confirmed for trash country.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Danemark confirmed for trash country.

How so?