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No what I am saying is that the UK flatly told us before the war that in case the Germans came we shouldn't expect any help; unlike the Danish politicians of 1864 the Danish politicians of 1940 knew perfectly well that if Germany came for us and we wouldn't get any help, then we couldn't do anything. So with having a bomber squad circling over Copenhagen---and all strategially important parts of Copenhagen occupied---the Government surrendered after a couple of hours of resistance.
They then started following a cooperation policy to get the best out of things and Denmark was left to rule itself as before to a large extent; you could risk being shot if you did something stupid towards a German soldier or were suspected of being in the resistance though. There was a resistance and throughout the war it grew; in the end of August 1943 the German demands became unaccaptable for the government and it stepped down. The Germans installed a bureaucrazy rule and started rounding up the Jews; the resistance had moved most of them to Sweden beforehand though.

So no we weren't just following orders; we tried to get the best out of the situation since you had to be really idiotic to think we could mount any plausible resistance to the German warmachine. On the other hand all Danish sailers at sea---and we are a sailing nation so that was many people---were given the choice of doing what they felt right; most joined an allied navy and many perished. The Danish ambassador in Washington also helped the war effort by giving the Americans access to Greenland and a base in the north of the island---Thule Air Base.

In France they called those kinds of people "collaborateurs." They were very unpopular with the Resistance. :rofl:
 

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You know, non-resistance like that is how Hitler amassed so much power in the first place. :(
It wasn't non resistance though. As mentioned there were fightings until the Government surrendered after a couple hours. The Germans had occupied all strategically important installations during the night before the invasion and the government was threatened with Copenhagen being level by the above circling bomber squad if they didn't surrender. If they hadn't surrendered Copenhagen would have been flattened and whoever was in command would have had to surrender; surrender was the only sensible choice. With regard to the cooperation policy then it was a sensible choice since it saved almost all Danish Jews and quite a few Danes from certain death; and when the German demands became unacceptable as the war soured the government said no and had to step down. I simply don't see how the Danish government could have done anything else. The Danish resistance on the other hand managed to tie down a number of troops and they were quite effective at sabotaging the German war effort; as an example they blew up a munitions ship in Aarhus Harbour on the 4th of July 1944.

Yeah we were a bit busy being the only nation in Europe that actually fought Hitler
That wasn't the reason though. We were told not to expect help because Jutland is really flat and connected directly to Germany. It simply wasn't feasible for Britain to send us help, since the Germans had so easy access to us.

In France they called those kinds of people "collaborateurs." They were very unpopular with the Resistance. :rofl:
I wouldn't call the government collaborateurs though. The government didn't give the Germans the names of the resistance fighters and in general tried to have the war affect Denmark as little as possible; not help Germany who many of the politicians loathed. When the government stepped back (I think some of the unreasonable demands were setting in the army against the August riots and cracking down on the resistance) the fleet was sunk to not let the Germans use it.
The real collaborateurs on the other hand were routinely killed by the resistance and several were executed after the war.
 

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You still surrendered, though. As jonti has kindly pointed out, Britain never surrendered. They would have fought on the beaches, on the landing zones and in the streets. They would have defended their island, whatever the cost may have been...
 

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What is it with Americans and their obsession with surrendering? It must be fear.
 

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What is it with Americans and their obsession with surrendering? It must be fear.

We used to be ruled by Great Britain, so we fear the slightest indication that we may be the slightest bit French.
 

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We used to be ruled by Great Britain, so we fear the slightest indication that we may be the slightest bit French.

You, good sir, are un idiote. I fart in your general direction. Silly American pigdog.
 

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Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!

We English fight for honour, while you Frenches fight for money.
 

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Yeah we were a bit busy being the only nation in Europe that actually fought Hitler
Does the USSR mean nothing to you? They lost more soldiers than any other allied nation by a lot.
 

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Does the USSR mean nothing to you? They lost more soldiers than any other allied nation by a lot.

Yeah, our enemies were killing each other, for once.
 

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Yeah, our enemies were killing each other, for once.
A.) At that time, Russia was nobody's enemy but Germany (And everybody they invaded pre-war, but that's beside the point)

2.) They were the third largest military presence in the 2nd World War. (Ahead of Britain, in my estimation)

Last.) They only took between 8 and 10 million Military casualties, as well as many more civilian casualties. To put this into perspective, militarily, Russia took more casualties than every other allied nation combined. Before you write off more deaths than the Holocaust (including Civilian casualties) as just two enemies killing each other, think about the sacrifices tens of millions of people gave on the Eastern front. No nation profited from that, and in no light can it ever be construed as a good thing.
 

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A.) At that time, Russia was nobody's enemy but Germany (And everybody they invaded pre-war, but that's beside the point)

2.) They were the third largest military presence in the 2nd World War. (Ahead of Britain, in my estimation)

Last.) They only took between 8 and 10 million Military casualties, as well as many more civilian casualties. To put this into perspective, militarily, Russia took more casualties than every other allied nation combined. Before you write off more deaths than the Holocaust (including Civilian casualties) as just two enemies killing each other, think about the sacrifices tens of millions of people gave on the Eastern front. No nation profited from that, and in no light can it ever be construed as a good thing.

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The Danish resistance on the other hand managed to tie down a number of troops and they were quite effective at sabotaging the German war effort; as an example they blew up a munitions ship in Aarhus Harbour on the 4th of July 1944.

As long as you don't deign to compare the Danish resistance to that of Yugoslavia, I am fine with this.
 

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A.) At that time, Russia was nobody's enemy but Germany (And everybody they invaded pre-war, but that's beside the point)

2.) They were the third largest military presence in the 2nd World War. (Ahead of Britain, in my estimation)

Last.) They only took between 8 and 10 million Military casualties, as well as many more civilian casualties. To put this into perspective, militarily, Russia took more casualties than every other allied nation combined. Before you write off more deaths than the Holocaust (including Civilian casualties) as just two enemies killing each other, think about the sacrifices tens of millions of people gave on the Eastern front. No nation profited from that, and in no light can it ever be construed as a good thing.

1.- Poland and several eastern European nations would disagree.

Second.- Quantity =/= Quality

C.- Ignore LatinKaiser the troll.
 

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C.- Ignore LatinKaiser the troll.

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EURO, I believe the worst kind of troll is the kind of troll who actually believes in what he is saying. Do you disagree?
 

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C.- Ignore LatinKaiser the troll.

Trolls...they come out at night.

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