Werewolf General Planning Thread

[OrangeYoshi]

If he's not given a role, he has no secret information. If he spams, we can report him to Blade!

Which we could avoid getting noticed by Blade! (or anyone else) if one of the players was mod. That is simply what I am trying to get at. We avoid going to Blade! and instead have someone whose job it is to only enforce our bans here if the said banee gets unruly.

 

[EUROO7]

Have you ever seen a stubborn mule?

 

[OrangeYoshi]

Have you ever seen a stubborn mule?

Only when I look at you.

 

[EUROO7]

Goodness, now I remember.

Well, at least we're not doing what you suggested.

 

[Jamie550]

I support suggestion A, but with some possible changes.

First, the bans will apply to both big and lite games - that is, if you commit a second offense, you are banned from the next three big games and the next three lite games.

Second, the counting of offenses will encompass both big and lite games - if you commit one in the big game, and another in another lite game, you will have a second offense, not two first offenses.

Third, that all Game Moderators - big and lite - must abide by the ban list.

Fourth, that "eternity" is defined as 30 big games and 80 lite games - that should be well more than a year. By that time, the player's desire for vengeance (if any) will be long gone, and hopefully they have matured somewhat and might able to be a contributive player. The exact number of games might need to be adjusted.

 

[OrangeYoshi]

Fourth, that "eternity" is defined as 30 big games and 80 lite games - that should be well more than a year. By that time, the player's desire for vengeance (if any) will be long gone, and hopefully they have matured somewhat and might able to be a contributive player. The exact number of games might need to be adjusted.

So you don't like measuring everything by big game time, and you want to separate the measurement of game bans?

And finally, a fifth offense will get a true ban for eternity?

 

[Yakman]

I support suggestion A, but with some possible changes.

First, the bans will apply to both big and lite games - that is, if you commit a second offense, you are banned from the next three big games and the next three lite games.

Second, the counting of offenses will encompass both big and lite games - if you commit one in the big game, and another in another lite game, you will have a second offense, not two first offenses.

Third, that all Game Moderators - big and lite - must abide by the ban list.

Fourth, that "eternity" is defined as 30 big games and 80 lite games - that should be well more than a year. By that time, the player's desire for vengeance (if any) will be long gone, and hopefully they have matured somewhat and might able to be a contributive player. The exact number of games might need to be adjusted.

and who, exactly, is keeping track of all this?

 

[Jamie550]

So you don't like measuring everything by big game time, and you want to separate the measurement of game bans?

And finally, a fifth offense will get a true ban for eternity?

Yeah, since when considering lite games that start or end at different times relative to the big game, the punishments might be different for different times. But for the eternal punishment, since it's so long we could just define it as all games started before 1.5 years after the player's offense or something like that.

As for a fifth offense, I highly doubt that anyone would be that boneheaded and stupid (especially since it would take something like three years from start to finish), but yes, true eternity sounds good.

 

[Jamie550]

and who, exactly, is keeping track of all this?

Euro has offered to, and I'm willing to do so as well, as soon as we draw up a coherent set of rules.

 

[OrangeYoshi]

and who, exactly, is keeping track of all this?

EURO said he would in the first social group post.

Yeah, since when considering lite games that start or end at different times relative to the big game, the punishments might be different for different times. But for the eternal punishment, since it's so long we could just define it as all games started before 1.5 years after the player's offense or something like that.

Which is why I said to measure it all in the time of big games, but make it count for all games. Not only is it easier to keep track of, but you won't have people playing in Lite games while they are still banned from a big game going on at the same time for some offense they committed.

As for a fifth offense, I highly doubt that anyone would be that boneheaded and stupid (especially since it would take something like three years from start to finish), but yes, true eternity sounds good.

I'm sure someone would.

Euro has offered to, and I'm willing to do so as well, as soon as we draw up a coherent set of rules.

Yes, multiple accounts in several places would be good. We don't want the records flushed by one person's accident, an untimely forum ban (oh irony), or the social group being deleted, or something else. I could have a third account along with you two.

 

[Jamie550]

Which is why I said to measure it all in the time of big games, but make it count for all games. Not only is it easier to keep track of, but you won't have people playing in Lite games while they are still banned from a big game going on at the same time for some offense they committed.

I see your point. So an offense in either game would mean a ban for the next X big games, not including the one that is going on at the time, as well as all lite games that start before the big game ban has ended?

I'm sure someone would.

If they could do it all in a relatively short time, yes, but even three years later? Nevertheless, planning for such eventualities is a good idea.

 

[OrangeYoshi]

I see your point. So an offense in either game would mean a ban for the next X big games, not including the one that is going on at the time, as well as all lite games that start before the big game ban has ended?

If they could do it all in a relatively short time, yes, but even three years later? Nevertheless, planning for such eventualities is a good idea.

Yes and yes.

 

[AOK. 11]

OY, I admire your willingness to fight to the death despite being outnumbered. Well done.

As to your argument, I would have to agree with the others at least for now. I think we can self police just fine. We just need to work together on that and we can solve any problems that arise. Only if that does not work should some sort of mod authority be requested.

 

[EUROO7]

OY, I admire your willingness to fight to the death despite being outnumbered.

It gets old quite fast.

 

[AOK. 11]

It gets old quite fast.

Well then do not engage him. I think he did admirably. Debate is my favorite part of the game by far, and OY does himself well to practice.

 

[EUROO7]

Unfortunately, he's wrong most of the time.

 

[GeneralHannibal]

Well then do not engage him. I think he did admirably. Debate is my favorite part of the game by far, and OY does himself well to practice.

I've always personally preferred being in the JL (or IL) to actual analysis and debate (especially in big games); does anybody else remember that very fun not-actually-WW-but-similar game where everybody belonged to a faction (which there were around 6 of) and had different goals (I recall a Russian Civil War themed game).

Of course, my fondest memories still come from my first big game as GA/JL leader, when I nearly lived to the end only to have Jacob grab my personal defeat from the (literal) jaws of victory and then nearly manipulate a passive village into acquiescing to a wolf victory.

Have their been any "epic" games or events recently? I think I want to get into playing regularly again as long as I make sure I can go through the big game without dropping out.

 

[EUROO7]

I've always personally preferred being in the JL (or IL) to actual analysis and debate (especially in big games); does anybody else remember that very fun not-actually-WW-but-similar game where everybody belonged to a faction (which there were around 6 of) and had different goals (I recall a Russian Civil War themed game).

Of course, my fondest memories still come from my first big game as GA/JL leader, when I nearly lived to the end only to have Jacob grab my personal defeat from the (literal) jaws of victory and then nearly manipulate a passive village into acquiescing to a wolf victory.

Have their been any "epic" games or events recently? I think I want to get into playing regularly again as long as I make sure I can go through the big game without dropping out.

Werewolf LXIX: Operation Valkyrie is one of my favourites. I was the Super Sorcerer and managed to get the village to lynch the seer who outed me, find the super seer through a rival villager who was collaborating with the baddies because I got his rival killed, and ended up winning the game even though everyone wanted to lynch me.

Oh, and I also outed all the baddies on the last day in order to win.

 

[AOK. 11]

Again, I did not want to muddle up the game thread, so I will post here:

Cosmic Shift: Don't screw with the powerful effects inherent on Monster Island. If you do, the Cosmic Shift will create even more chaos for you -- possibly including nightly missions ("do such-and-such tomorrow or you will be auto-lynched"), changes to affiliation, alterations to role or trait abilities, etc. Once cosmic shift has been activated for you, it never ends, and it can strike again at any time.

Is there any justification for such an event other that the fact that I5 is a power hungry madman who likes screwing with players? Doesn't that just give the GM the ability to do anything he likes, at any time he likes, for any reason he likes?

Sorry, but I do not like it. The GM should have a set of rules based on given probabilities and he should carry them out. He should not write himself a blank check to do whatever he desires.

Do not get me wrong. I5 is great, but I think that is a bad idea. The GM should manage the game. Creative roles, traits, and distribution thereof is one thing. Giving the GM the ability to do whatever he wants just for the hell of it is not acceptable in my view.

Does anybody actually think that this is a good idea? It seems to me nothing more than I5 declaring himself a Werewolf God and demanding tribute from the rest of us. The real Werewolf Gods will surely punish such blasphemy....

 

[OrangeYoshi]

AOK, please be sensible. You don't know whether it was GM caused or player caused.

Wish I had time to reply to all the other posts.....