Werewolf CXCVII: Chopin

[al-Aziz]

It is completely unreasonable to think that the wolves have "infiltrated" the council. We have had no no-hunt night, and the sorcerer died the first night. One unattached cultist is furthermore dead. Don't let the stupidity of the wierdo council analysis philosophers rub off on you. Nothing good comes from analysing councils. They are stupid, don't work and wolves rarely if ever bother to take over them. This council is particularly big so it makes ZERO sense for any pack with at least one thinking member to try to take over it. What makes wolf sense is to have the village analyse the council, have the members out themselves, etc.

Experience.

Poor wording; I meant that there were wolves in the council who were trying to take it.

I can certainly see why it wouldn't make sense for a pack to try to take over them. Why, however, do you think that wolves would want to out the council? To create confusion?

At this point, there's not much to really argue about here. If there were wolves trying to take over the council, we would hardly know who, and advocating for the council to out itself makes enough sense that a villager might think it's a good idea.

 

[Eternaly_Lost]

So, lets start with the council outing it self.

Well only they know for certain what they have. In game past, my experience is that they get a list of traits and can vote to use one per night. So I am going to assume they have this.

This list of powers was things like seer scans, priest scans, and guardian protections. Useful for the village, and just as useful to the wolves if their pack get control of it. Using seer scans to find the other wolves well they hunt for the seer, Using priest scans to look for cultists and guardian to protect their pack.

The most common balanced form of the council is generally a wolf or cultist for each pack on the council, and the rest are villagers. The seer and other roles like that are not on it.

The second most balanced form is to put some unclaimed baddies generally 2 or 3, on the council.

The two hunts on council members in a row would suggest the first, but an unclaimed cultist suggests the second. A wolf/cultist from each pack, plus an unclaimed cultist is pushing things too high on the side of baddies taking control of it. So I am going to side with the wolves on both side got lucky when they hit the council members rather then being on the council itself.

So outting the council was just stupid. All you did was ensure that the wolves would have people to look closer at, as it quite reasonable to assume that 1 or two of those that are left are unattached baddies. I would be shocked to find that there was only 1 evil person on the council to start.

That is, unless there was some cursed on the council members, but given we do not yet have a no hunt night. There is no danger.

Next, I want to talk about K-59. My reasoning for voting him yesterday still stands. If anything his actions today, including calling for the council to show themselves only helped the wolves.

So to that end, I shall once again throw my vote on him for the third day in a row. K-59. Each passing day only makes me more convinced you are a wolf. I would not be shocked if there is an outing today calling you one.

Vote K-59

 

[De Chatillôn]

K-59 has been kind of stupid about wanting the council to be outed, and attacking anyone who pointed out the flaws of that, but I don't think that's wolfish, too much attention being gained. Dadarian's doing more or less what he's known for, not caring about norms for voting and going his own way. Unconvinced that his actions are wolfish. De Chatillon's vote on Canadian yesterday, and more specifically his refusal to move off of it pre-outing, stand out to me. Combined with his significant efforts today at distrusting Ithvan, I think he's the best lynch for today.

Vote De Chatillon

I'm still not really a big fan of the Dada case, seems way to easy to follow. I can see where people are going with k-59, but I'm not totally convinced. My favorite 2 candidates are De Chat and Bentley, and would be fine if either of them got the axe.

Vote De Chat

And they accuse me of bandwagoning.

 

[Jacksonian Missionary]

And they accuse me of bandwagoning.

Considering that you're not even in the lead, it would be ridiculous to call this bandwagoning. Bandwagoning is defined by pushing someone into a 3 vote lead.

 

[aedan777]

And they accuse me of bandwagoning.

That's not what I'm accusing you of, and this isn't what bandwagoning is.

Bandwagoning is when someone joins the candidate already well in the lead, pushing them even higher. You weren't even tied for the lead.

 

[k-59]

Considering that you're not even in the lead, it would be ridiculous to call this bandwagoning. Bandwagoning is defined by pushing someone into a 3 vote lead.

You're just bringing out your wagon impression, right?

 

[Wagonlitz]

Official count 2 hours and 15 minutes to deadline

k-59: 7
Sleepyhead [899]
Delta21 [903]
RepBentley [914]
Dr.Livingstone [926]
EUROO7 [976]
JCan [998]
Eternaly_Lost [1003]

Chat: 5
madchemist [887]
Hazbot [905]
johho888 [948]
aedan777 [996]
Jacksonian Missionary [997]

Dadarian: 4
tamius23 [961]
Ithvan [979]
Gen. Marshall [962 DNC -> 980]
Audren [990]

Cæsar: 2
alxeu [852]*
Dadarian [960 DNC -> 965]

Bentley: 2
k-59 [875]
al-Aziz [880 Hazbot -> 975]

MC: 1
daird [912]

Not voted: 6
Canadian_95_RTS []
DeathNoteForCutie []
De Chatillôn []
Emperor Ike []
Hax []
CaesarCzech []*



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[al-Aziz]

Considering that you're not even in the lead, it would be ridiculous to call this bandwagoning. Bandwagoning is defined by pushing someone into a 3 vote lead.

I thought bandwagonning was defined by the rapidity of votes.

 

[al-Aziz]

Interesting to note how Bentley has almost no traction, despite having quite suspicious behavior.

 

[Gen. Marshall]

Interesting to note how Bentley has almost no traction, despite having quite suspicious behavior.

He's on the council so he's a poor lynch.

 

[aedan777]

I thought bandwagonning was defined by the rapidity of votes.

It isn't. That's suspicious in its own right, but not bandwagoning. Bandwagoning isn't as tightly defined as Jacksonian claims it to be, but it is based on a candidate already in the lead being driven high, decrease the chances of other candidates, usually without much reasoning on the voters part. Of course there is the Second Law of Eurodynamics to take into account as well, which makes the issue of "bandwagoning" more complicated. Few would try to exploit it though, so it's not much of a complication.

 

[k-59]

Interesting to note how Bentley has almost no traction, despite having quite suspicious behavior.

+1000

 

[Gen. Marshall]

+1000

Why are you so eager to lynch a councilmember again?

 

[EUROO7]

It is not a bandwagon when one vote change would make it a tie, Aedan is quite right.

 

[EUROO7]

In fact, Aedan has convinced me.

Unvote K
Vote Chat

 

[k-59]

Why are you so eager to lynch a councilmember again?

Because he seems more afraid to be outed to the village than he is of being hunted by wolves.

 

[Emperor Ike]

Must save De Chat for my own dark pleasures
VOTE k-59

 

[k-59]

Must save De Chat for my own dark pleasures
VOTE k-59

Wait, so if you are going to leap at a prime chance to lynch him how exactly are you ever going to kill him? Or do you have some reason to want him alive over me and are using your grudge as cover not to explain your vote?

 

[AtreyuAtreides]

Because he seems more afraid to be outed to the village than he is of being hunted by wolves.

Settle down boy

 

[al-Aziz]

It isn't. That's suspicious in its own right, but not bandwagoning. Bandwagoning isn't as tightly defined as Jacksonian claims it to be, but it is based on a candidate already in the lead being driven high, decrease the chances of other candidates, usually without much reasoning on the voters part. Of course there is the Second Law of Eurodynamics to take into account as well, which makes the issue of "bandwagoning" more complicated. Few would try to exploit it though, so it's not much of a complication.

How odd. I recall a discussion in which I was told the opposite.

Why are you so eager to lynch a councilmember again?

It's not that he's a council member, really. It's the other things that he's done, such as piling onto Ike D1, weirdly changing his vote to Cliges without explanation, and explaining in a very obtuse fashion.