Werewolf CXCIX: Invasion of the Cybermen

[De Chatillôn]

The night 0-1 thing has influence in the gameplay because the witness has another 10%.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Night 0 is superior notation to night 1. Under the N0 notation, Night 1 and all subsequent nights have the same number as the day which occurs in the same update (Day 1 and Night 1 together, etc.). This is simpler to recall and keep mentally organized, as well as fitting better thematically.

I have never had any problems with day and night not having the same number in an update. And starting with 1 is the natural way unless you are programming.

The night 0-1 thing has influence in the gameplay because the witness has another 10%.

Nope the witness hasn't.

 

[Gen. Marshall]

The night 0-1 thing has influence in the gameplay because the witness has another 10%.

lol no. Any competent GM will make sure to neglect the first night at the start and after a witness scan for witness purposes. Else with the repeated witness rules you could just scan every night for 10%.

 

[aedan777]

I have never had any problems with day and night not having the same number in an update. And starting with 1 is the natural way unless you are programming.

Just because one doesn't have problems that require simplicity, doesn't mean there is no benefit to using the simple method. And starting with 1 is only the natural method when circumstances support it. It is indisputable that we start with day 1. However, by most standards I am familiar with, the night of a calendar day is considered to occur after the day (i.e. the night of March 14 is after the day of March 14). If we transplant WW day/night cycles to a calendar, it quickly becomes clear that starting with night 1 is nonsensical. If a game started on March 13, then the night of March 13 would be Night 1, while the day of March 14 would be day 1, and the night of March 14 would be night 2. Having Day/Night 1 take place over two calendar days is inherently less natural than having it on one calendar day.

 

[k-59]

I'm used to the following order :
1) GA
2) doctor (old definition , not the one used here)
3) blessed
4) cursed

I hope it's still valid. That not too many principles have changed ...

My games has this as an explicit rule

Why not? Even if you don't plan on using it you shouldn't state so in the thread. Having that possibility adds more paranoia; and paranoia is good.

You're an idiot.

I have had a blessed cursed apprentice in my last two bigs and nobody has complained. Also next time I might well not have a blessed cursed apprentice in the name of variation.

I must have missed it among all the other silly roles you had.

Night 0 is superior notation to night 1. Under the N0 notation, Night 1 and all subsequent nights have the same number as the day which occurs in the same update (Day 1 and Night 1 together, etc.). This is simpler to recall and keep mentally organized, as well as fitting better thematically.

+1,000,000,000

 

[Nautilu]

Villager again

 

[Wagonlitz]

Else with the repeated witness rules you could just scan every night for 10%.

Eh you can witness at 10% every night should you so desire.

(i.e. the night of March 14 is after the day of March 14)

I am not too sure on that. I am pretty sure that the night belonging to a certain date comes before the day.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Villager again

And we have a waffle...

 

[Nautilu]

And we have a waffle...

Yes you do have waffles in the village, just not me. As I already told you I am a villager.
Are you claiming I am not?

 

[Team Wombat]

Eh you can witness at 10% every night should you so desire.
I am not too sure on that. I am pretty sure that the night belonging to a certain date comes before the day.

The percentage is 12.5% upgrade per night for the witness.

 

[Hazbot]

Just because one doesn't have problems that require simplicity, doesn't mean there is no benefit to using the simple method. And starting with 1 is only the natural method when circumstances support it. It is indisputable that we start with day 1. However, by most standards I am familiar with, the night of a calendar day is considered to occur after the day (i.e. the night of March 14 is after the day of March 14). If we transplant WW day/night cycles to a calendar, it quickly becomes clear that starting with night 1 is nonsensical. If a game started on March 13, then the night of March 13 would be Night 1, while the day of March 14 would be day 1, and the night of March 14 would be night 2. Having Day/Night 1 take place over two calendar days is inherently less natural than having it on one calendar day.

I advocate the following order:

Night 1
Day 1
Night 2
Day 2
Night 3
Day 3
etc.

I think the fact that we are so tied to the arbitrary day/night order of things is fascist and disgusting, there's no reason for time to start with days and end with nights over the other way around! End the tyranny of day!

 

[k-59]

I advocate the following order:

Night 1
Day 1
Night 2
Day 2
Night 3
Day 3
etc.

I think the fact that we are so tied to the arbitrary day/night order of things is fascist and disgusting, there's no reason for time to start with days and end with nights over the other way around! End the tyranny of day!

That's equally fascist and disgusting. The only way towards to true liberation from temporal norms is randomly assigned days and nights. Such as:

Day 16
Night 7

Night 2
Day 5

Day 10
Night 5

etc

 

[Hazbot]

That's equally fascist and disgusting. The only way towards to true liberation from temporal norms is randomly assigned days and nights. Such as:

Day 16
Night 7

Night 2
Day 5

Day 10
Night 5

etc

What if we number days and nights based on the digits of e^x, where x is the number of days so far?

Day 1
Night 1
Day 3
Night 3
Day 7
Night 7
Day 20
Night 20
etc.

This would have mathematical justification in the fact that it's an important equation in derivative calculus, the math of stuff changing over time.

 

[De Chatillôn]

Best order:

Night 5
Day 5
Night 10
Day10
Night 15
Day 15
Night 20
Day 20

2x Aedan's signup

 

[npstr]

Best order:

Night 5
Day 5
Night 10
Day10
Night 15
Day 15
Night 20
Day 20

2x Aedan's signup

I doubt this will be topped.

 

[Hazbot]

I doubt this will be topped.

I propose an experimental Werewolf time travelling game, where other than voting whom to lynch, players must also vote what will be the date of the next night.

Actions in the past may reverse actions taken in the future, so if for example EURO was lynched with 7 votes on day 6 and had a close candidate in Aedan, who had 6, killing one of the EURO voters on day 4 will change the result into them both having been lynched.

Similarly, all wolf hunts must now be "signed" by a wolf, meaning that one wolf and not the whole pack is responsible. First wolf to volunteer is given the signage. If they are killed before they killed someone, the person they killed would be alive again.

This way, there is no set Day/Night cycle, and the order is chosen by the players.

 

[johho888]

ANY GM. I don't care if it's a Johho game, if it's not Night 0, I have a problem.

No johho game without a night 0, for the reason aedan gave.

 

[Chieron]

All nights and days are beautiful!
Night 1
Day 1
Night 1
Day 1
Night 1
Day 1

 

[tamius23]

I propose an experimental Werewolf time travelling game, where other than voting whom to lynch, players must also vote what will be the date of the next night.

Actions in the past may reverse actions taken in the future, so if for example EURO was lynched with 7 votes on day 6 and had a close candidate in Aedan, who had 6, killing one of the EURO voters on day 4 will change the result into them both having been lynched.

Similarly, all wolf hunts must now be "signed" by a wolf, meaning that one wolf and not the whole pack is responsible. First wolf to volunteer is given the signage. If they are killed before they killed someone, the person they killed would be alive again.

This way, there is no set Day/Night cycle, and the order is chosen by the players.

Appropriate for a "Paradox Interactive" WW game.

 

[Hazbot]

All nights and days are beautiful!
Night 1
Day 1
Night 1
Day 1
Night 1
Day 1

Why stop there? How about we abandon the concept of numbering time altogether!

The First Night
This Day
This Night
That Day
That Night
The Other Day
The Other Night
You Know - Uh - The One Day
You Know - Uh - The One Night
Whatever Day
Whatever Night
Whichever Day
Whichever Night
Today
Tonight

Appropriate for a "Paradox Interactive" WW game.

As in there's a lot of theoretical number crunching which no one really understands but that's okay because it ends up obsoleting itself anyway and you would enjoy it better if you just didn't try to understand it in the first place?