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Vote Sleepyhead
His voting record is fairly abysmal, including a late switch to Sorcerer Tamius, and being one of the Wagonlitz voters, the last two of whom are now confirmed baddies. Admittedly, that would tend to indicate him being of more red pack tendencies, but considering the probability of Tamius being in contact with the Orange pack (why else would he ask for the Witch to contact him?) it's not impossible that he was encouraged to save MC by the Sorc.
His voting record is fairly abysmal, including a late switch to Sorcerer Tamius, and being one of the Wagonlitz voters, the last two of whom are now confirmed baddies. Admittedly, that would tend to indicate him being of more red pack tendencies, but considering the probability of Tamius being in contact with the Orange pack (why else would he ask for the Witch to contact him?) it's not impossible that he was encouraged to save MC by the Sorc.
My apologizes for not voting yesterday, I was busy (and I didn't get up until 3 hours after deadline, which is about 3pm my time, thankfully I'm on vacation) anyways, I'm going to start my vote analysis.
Wagon2.0: (I realized that it's Wagon2.0 now, so crap I wrote 5 paragraphs on how if Wagon was a wolf Marshall was and vice versa, oh well
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Marshall: From my original argument, it was that he was defending wagon along with Madchemist, still wagon is a known goodie now, so I guess I have to let that slide.
Audren: I'm still mad at him. In all seriousness though, Audren made this post:
Sensible, however with yesterday's events it seems less likely. See Chatillion's analysis.
Myself: I was almost lynched but was saved by an outing, still doesn't make me look good.
Chatillion: I think it's safe to assume the Chatillion is a goodie, seeing how he used his leader to lynch a wolf and outed a sorc. Nor is the priest counter claiming that he is in the JL.
Ironhide: Quiet, a bit to quiet. A bit unnerving and to be honest I think he is a baddie, again my gut feeling.
Sleepyhead: I don't have a read on him, but Rovsea makes a good point
Hazbot: I don't have a read on him.
Rovsea: Nor do I have a good read on Rovsea.
On an off topic note...
You seem to forget the fact that you were the one who did the second time.
Anyways, I think that the packs are of 3, with 2 wolves and a vampire, seeing how that would balance the game a bit better. with 8 overall baddies. (from my experience having 1/3 of the players baddies is good for balance) Thus I think we got rid of the red pack, one of the orange pack and one of the sorcs, which means, under my theory, there are 3 baddies left in the game, and there are 9 of us, assuming that 1 of us is lynched and 1 of us is hunted a night, and none of us have any traits like brutal or OEO, nor do any of us have traits like assassin, or that we don't lynch a wolf or they don't hunt a sorc, then the remaining days they have to get us to parity is 2, or they could hit parity tonight if they get 2 villagers in a tie. Anyways, this is speculation. Also under my current theory, the pack consists of one Vampire and one Wolf aswell as a sorc that may or may not have gotten in contact with the pack. This is just a theory though, but I could be dead wrong.
Anyways, be sure to make your votes count.
Vote Ironhide,
As I said his sheer quietness is unnerving.
Wagon2.0: (I realized that it's Wagon2.0 now, so crap I wrote 5 paragraphs on how if Wagon was a wolf Marshall was and vice versa, oh well
)Marshall: From my original argument, it was that he was defending wagon along with Madchemist, still wagon is a known goodie now, so I guess I have to let that slide.
Audren: I'm still mad at him
. In all seriousness though, Audren made this post:Sensible, however with yesterday's events it seems less likely. See Chatillion's analysis.
Myself: I was almost lynched but was saved by an outing, still doesn't make me look good.
Chatillion: I think it's safe to assume the Chatillion is a goodie, seeing how he used his leader to lynch a wolf and outed a sorc. Nor is the priest counter claiming that he is in the JL.
Ironhide: Quiet, a bit to quiet. A bit unnerving and to be honest I think he is a baddie, again my gut feeling.
Sleepyhead: I don't have a read on him, but Rovsea makes a good point
Hazbot: I don't have a read on him.
Rovsea: Nor do I have a good read on Rovsea.
On an off topic note...
You seem to forget the fact that you were the one who did the second time.
Anyways, I think that the packs are of 3, with 2 wolves and a vampire, seeing how that would balance the game a bit better. with 8 overall baddies. (from my experience having 1/3 of the players baddies is good for balance) Thus I think we got rid of the red pack, one of the orange pack and one of the sorcs, which means, under my theory, there are 3 baddies left in the game, and there are 9 of us, assuming that 1 of us is lynched and 1 of us is hunted a night, and none of us have any traits like brutal or OEO, nor do any of us have traits like assassin, or that we don't lynch a wolf or they don't hunt a sorc, then the remaining days they have to get us to parity is 2, or they could hit parity tonight if they get 2 villagers in a tie. Anyways, this is speculation. Also under my current theory, the pack consists of one Vampire and one Wolf aswell as a sorc that may or may not have gotten in contact with the pack. This is just a theory though, but I could be dead wrong.
Anyways, be sure to make your votes count.
Vote Ironhide,
As I said his sheer quietness is unnerving.
My late vote was due to RL stuff, I just got home from a 2h drive from the airport. I realised there had been an outing and hurried to switch my vote. Turned out Wagonlitz 1.0 was just incredibly stupid for wanting Kaiser tied to an outed wolf. His note that a late vote yesterday would indicate baddie also falls in the stupidity category. I won't vote Marshall or Ironhide based on it.
So many people have mentioned 3 baddie packs that I'm assuming it's correct. If a wolf/vamp could confirm that'd be great.
De Chatillôn I consider cleared, loosing a sorc was a blow for team evil.
Rovsea finds me a likely red, or an orange set out to save a red wolf by the sorcerer ??? This is nonsensical. Assuming Rovsea even wants to find an orange there are other and better candidates than myself.
Tamius would've gotten in touch with the oranges through k-59. He's constantly been pushing for lynching Ironhide, so I think the latter is a bad lynch.
Gen. Marshall bugs me, but that's like every game. I cannot seem to follow a single line of thought of his. Doesn't mean he's bad or good.
Audren I hold to be a very unlikely orange. With Kaiser's screwed up outing he was one of the few to switch, I assume k-59's packmates, were they online at the time, simply ignored the outing to gain a day.
That leaves Wagon 2.0, Jerman and Hazbot. Jerman just activated and Wagon 2.0 was one of tamiuses targets IIRC. Hazbot is a blank slate more so than the rest. I did vote him yesterday but seeing as he escaped I'll
Vote Hazbot
So many people have mentioned 3 baddie packs that I'm assuming it's correct. If a wolf/vamp could confirm that'd be great.
De Chatillôn I consider cleared, loosing a sorc was a blow for team evil.
Rovsea finds me a likely red, or an orange set out to save a red wolf by the sorcerer ??? This is nonsensical. Assuming Rovsea even wants to find an orange there are other and better candidates than myself.
Tamius would've gotten in touch with the oranges through k-59. He's constantly been pushing for lynching Ironhide, so I think the latter is a bad lynch.
Gen. Marshall bugs me, but that's like every game. I cannot seem to follow a single line of thought of his. Doesn't mean he's bad or good.
Audren I hold to be a very unlikely orange. With Kaiser's screwed up outing he was one of the few to switch, I assume k-59's packmates, were they online at the time, simply ignored the outing to gain a day.
That leaves Wagon 2.0, Jerman and Hazbot. Jerman just activated and Wagon 2.0 was one of tamiuses targets IIRC. Hazbot is a blank slate more so than the rest. I did vote him yesterday but seeing as he escaped I'll
Vote Hazbot
Wagon, it would be nice if you added some activity to Griffin's record.
While you're right, that's still a really lazy reason to stop considering someone.
I deliberately held off on switching my vote to tamius to see how the wolves would react (if at all). The fact that you and Ironhide waited until after I did switch is, without any way to verify your story, pretty suspicious and not a stupid case at all.
Why are we not paying any attention to Rovsea, though? I think I made a pretty good case on him yesterday, but unlike my other suspects from that day (Jerman and Audren) he's received little to no attention.
Vote Rovsea
While you're right, that's still a really lazy reason to stop considering someone.
I deliberately held off on switching my vote to tamius to see how the wolves would react (if at all). The fact that you and Ironhide waited until after I did switch is, without any way to verify your story, pretty suspicious and not a stupid case at all.
Why are we not paying any attention to Rovsea, though? I think I made a pretty good case on him yesterday, but unlike my other suspects from that day (Jerman and Audren) he's received little to no attention.
Vote Rovsea
I did not deliberately wait, I was unavailable until just before deadline when I arrived at home. Just FYI, we have no way of verifying why your vote was late either.
I do think Rovsea's a good candidate for his silly illogical vote on me, I just didn't want to be implicated for revenge voting. Unlike Hazbot we do have some information on him though.
I do think Rovsea's a good candidate for his silly illogical vote on me, I just didn't want to be implicated for revenge voting. Unlike Hazbot we do have some information on him though.
Marshall: I think he probably is a goodie from how he has behaved throughout the game, but he has done questionable things like trying to make that counterpush yesterday. Said push would have saved the sorc; on the other hand he has done such questionable things as a villager before. Not cleared in any way, but more likely good than bad.
Audren: Audren is rather sketchy for how he e.g. tried having wagon1.0 lynched over MC on a bogus case. Though he did switch to k-59 at the outing.
Jerman: He seems to be living up, but I frankly don't remember him really doing anything before today. So that seems suspicious.
Chant: He obviously is cleared now, since he outed a sorc.
IG: He has been really invisible and just made really easy votes/strange votes. Like today where he posts the exact same vote post in both the lite and the big. He seems really suspicious.
Sleepy: He has been rather absent, but appears to get more active after Christmas.
Hazbot: Don't remember him doing anything.
Rovs: As sleepy pointed out Rovs argument for why Sleepy could be an orange is really convoluted and implausible. He seems rather wolfish for trying to make such arguments.
Since Rovs made similar posts in the lite yesterday and was a waffle I will try him.
Vote Rovs
Audren: Audren is rather sketchy for how he e.g. tried having wagon1.0 lynched over MC on a bogus case. Though he did switch to k-59 at the outing.
Jerman: He seems to be living up, but I frankly don't remember him really doing anything before today. So that seems suspicious.
Chant: He obviously is cleared now, since he outed a sorc.
IG: He has been really invisible and just made really easy votes/strange votes. Like today where he posts the exact same vote post in both the lite and the big. He seems really suspicious.
Sleepy: He has been rather absent, but appears to get more active after Christmas.
Hazbot: Don't remember him doing anything.
Rovs: As sleepy pointed out Rovs argument for why Sleepy could be an orange is really convoluted and implausible. He seems rather wolfish for trying to make such arguments.
Since Rovs made similar posts in the lite yesterday and was a waffle I will try him.
Vote Rovs
Pretty sure that skin colour crayolas are still called skin colour. Those of my relatives which are in the drawing age at least have ones where it says skin colour on the outside.
So you make the exact same post in the lite and in the big... That is really suspicious and smells of you just wanting to post something. You also give no case.
tam only caved after Marshall switched though. You and IG then switched after tam had caved.
Good news everyone!!!! Looking at the PMs, there're no baddies in the game!!! I don't understand why we are still non-playing this non-game with no-baddies. By the other way, there're no outings today, I'm sorry. But I trust your instinct.
Vote Hazbot
Vote Hazbot
Not so much convoluted as much as poorly thought out, and the original point still stands; Sleepyhead's voting record is pretty bad. I also didn't post anything as bad as that yesterday in the Lite as a wolf. Most of that actually made sense, if you took the time to look through it.
Yeah, I'm thinking I'll just be voting Ironhide today. I mean, until Wagon pointed out that his votes in both the Lite and Big were literally the exact same I wouldn't have voted for him, but at this stage that just seems... fatalistic. I'm not even sure if he realizes that Wagon died in both, and so that both of his votes were almost invalidated (only one is in actuality). It's quite possibly the laziest voting I've ever seen. What's more, there really isn't much in his favor in his voting record, besides his not dog-piling DBW Day 2, which isn't exactly clearing. The rest is pretty meh at best (this is going off of the Page 1 vote counts, which haven't been updated, so take it with a grain of salt).
Unvote Sleepyhead, Vote Ironhide
Unvote Sleepyhead, Vote Ironhide
Think about it though; is voting the same player in both games with token reasoning a wolfish play, or just really poor and inactive villager play? The former would require him to be a wolf in both games and not give a shit about being suspicious, while the latter just requires him to be... Ironhide.
Thanks for pointing that out. I also find it odd that both Sleepy and IG just happen to return at the exact minute of deadline, though that may be meta reasoning.
Like I said, he also has a bad voting record, including his last minute salvage yesterday.
My voting record is not worse than any of the front runners. And I simply was not online before deadline, as explained. You guys are either incredibly thick or simply evil for continuing on this particular trail of thought. If it was some sort of baddie coordination that didn't go through there'd be no point switching at all. Do your own mental capacity a favour and drop it.
I feel like Jerman has been flying stealth mode since Day 3. How do people feel about him?
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Out of those front runners, I find Rovsea to be the most suspect. I find it interesting that he avoided pressure from yesterday, and his case on Sleepy doesn't really make too much sense.
VOTE ROVSEA
VOTE ROVSEA
I guess I'm grasping at straws here, trying to find a good case. The best cases today seem to be inactivity, which just seems odd. I don't remember Jerman, Hazbot, or Ironhide doing much at all this game, and of the people left, it's hard to get a read on Wagonlitz2.0 because he's a sub. DeChatillon and Gen Marshall have been fairly active the entire game I think, and deChatillon is obviously cleared (or as close as it's possible to come). Has Audren been active? It's hard for me to remember right at the moment, but I think that tends to indicate a "Not so much". I really don't see any candidates better than Ironhide or Hazbot, both of whom are being voted for inactivity and questionable vote records, as I understand it.
Could be; could also be he is wolf in one and wants to hide that by making such a stunt. After all he isn't stellar at analysis as he also has said repeatedly. So he remains a good candidate.
He has lived up a bit recently; but yes he has been flying really low.