Werewolf CXCIV: There is No Game

[Rovsea]

I agree that in the aftermath, especially with his rather dumbed down vote today, Wagon is looking pretty suspicious.

Vote Wagonlitz

 

[Gen. Marshall]

Marshall and Madchemist going after Audren in defence of Wagonlitz is highly suspicious, which leads me to believe Wagon is some form of important baddie. If he is, Marshall and Madchemist should IMO be considered as next candidates. First things first though.

No. You're not tying me to Wagonlitz' fate. He's my #2 suspect at this time and the only reason I'm not voting for him (like I did before outing) is because Audren seems so keen to lynch him on grounds I don't see as warranted.

Of note is also that Audren messed up the Jerman - Yakman TIE in favour of a known villager two days ago.

 

[Audren]

No. You're not tying me to Wagonlitz' fate. He's my #2 suspect at this time and the only reason I'm not voting for him (like I did before outing) is because Audren seems so keen to lynch him on grounds I don't see as warranted.

Of note is also that Audren messed up the Jerman - Yakman TIE in favour of a known villager two days ago.

Which is especially bad since I'm feeling like Jerman is a baddie, too.

 

[Black_Griffin]

Vote Tamius.
Wait, did he really want a TIE a day befre yesterday or was he joking? Hmm...

 

[Audren]

Vote Tamius.
Wait, did he really want a TIE a day befre yesterday or was he joking? Hmm...

The TIE between Yakman and Jerman would've probably been better than what we got, and it was only through the idiocy of yours truly that it didn't happen.

 

[Black_Griffin]

The TIE between Yakman and Jerman would've probably been better than what we got, and it was only through the idiocy of yours truly that it didn't happen.

Then...
Unvote Tamius.
Vote Black_Griffin.
For my idiocy.

 

[Black_Griffin]

Guys, in fact I was joking.
Unvote Black_Griffin.

 

[Rovsea]

Guys, in fact I was joking.
Unvote Black_Griffin.

Good, my "Lynch those who lynch themselves" impulses were getting... distracting.

 

[k-59]

Then...
Unvote Tamius.
Vote Black_Griffin.
For my idiocy.

This is gold.

 

[madchemist]

Kaisersohaib did screw up, that is clear. Though when I confronted him on the issue he responded that his problem was realising too late that he needed to make an outing, and actually going through with it. Wagonlitz completely ignored this and went overboard trying to have Kaiser tied with the outed wolf and shot by a hunter. He's my number one suspect for disrupting a JL formation.

Marshall and Madchemist going after Audren in defence of Wagonlitz is highly suspicious, which leads me to believe Wagon is some form of important baddie. If he is, Marshall and Madchemist should IMO be considered as next candidates. First things first though.

Vote Wagonlitz

I agree that in the aftermath, especially with his rather dumbed down vote today, Wagon is looking pretty suspicious.

Vote Wagonlitz

Wagon is more than capable of high levels of stupidity as a villager. Last Lite was an extreme example of same. (TBH, I think his judgment is far worse when he's a villager than when he's a wolf).

In the meantime, he's gotten meaningful votes from two packs, a point which only Audren seems inclined to dispute or even address. I expect better from both of you.

 

[Audren]

Wagon is more than capable of high levels of stupidity as a villager. Last Lite was an extreme example of same. (TBH, I think his judgment is far worse when he's a villager than when he's a wolf).

In the meantime, he's gotten meaningful votes from two packs, a point which only Audren seems inclined to dispute or even address. I expect better from both of you.

I find it interesting that you're counting k-59's vote as meaningful, considering you yourself said quite the opposite only a few posts ago.

 

[madchemist]

I find it interesting that you're counting k-59's vote as meaningful, considering you yourself said quite the opposite only a few posts ago.

In context, however, k-59's vote put Wagon at 2 votes when the leader was at 3. It was very much a meaningful vote at the time, which makes me think he was none too concerned with Wagon possibly dying.

Reading comprehension is a useful skill. You should try it some time.

EDIT: You even underlined the declaration that the vote was meaningful when you quoted this post earlier.

 

[LatinKaiser]

Reading comprehension is a useful skill. You should try it some time.

Public school... what're you gonna do?

 

[Audren]

k-59: Voted health late D1 to prevent a tie; other candidates were Wagonlitz and LK, the latter of whom is known to be good. Could be packmates with Wagon, or else could have been attempting to gain cheap goodie points by not creating an early tie. D2 he votes Wagon, which would seem to make the latter the more likely possibility, although it wasn't a particularly dangerous vote and he did switch to wombat post-outing. Joined the Yakman bandwagon on D3. Received no votes whatsoever on any day prior to being outed.

Remembering what you posted is also a useful skill.

 

[madchemist]

Remembering what you posted is also a useful skill.

It wasn't a particularly dangerous vote in the final analysis after the day's events transpired. For that reason, I'll grant that it's not totally conclusive as far as establishing his innocence goes. But it does make him a much less compelling candidate than many others, including several of those voting him right now.

 

[Audren]

It wasn't a particularly dangerous vote in the final analysis after the day's events transpired. For that reason, I'll grant that it's not totally conclusive as far as establishing his innocence goes. But it does make him a much less compelling candidate than many others, including several of those voting him right now.

The bit about switching to Wombat comes after you state it was not a dangerous vote, suggesting that the vote wasn't terribly dangerous to begin with. More worthy of note is you ignoring this and considering Wagon to be far more cleared than he is. Twice you have avoided trying to respond to that post. And there is more to finding a wolf than merely their vote counts. Wagon's behaviour also implicates him beyond his voting.

 

[Rovsea]

I don't really have much time today, since after resting yesterday it is going back into full blown Christmas today. I will vote the same as I did before k-59 was outed. Most likely won't be on again until after deadline.

Vote IG

But look at this vote. How is this meaningful? he's going back to an old case, and not even attempting to look at how yesterday, with the revealing of two more wolves, affected who's the most likely baddie.

 

[tamius23]

I'd be going for Jacksonian now if he hadn't got himself killed - despite my using it as a wolf-catching method dozens of times, wolves (in this case, Teep) still make packmate throwaways on Day 1.

Of the candidates up today, Wagon strikes me as the best. In addition to his weird overthinking of the N0 EUROhunt, he was voted by Jacksonian on Day 1. Jacksonian's ruthless (or not online) enough not to switch away from his packmate when he's in danger.

Vote Wagonlitz

 

[happycats517]

Vote Count ~1 hour to deadline

Wagonlitz: 4
Audren [465]
Sleepyhead [480]
Rovsea [481]
tamius [498]

Ironhide: 2
Wagonlitz [471]
JermanTK [472]

Audren: 2
Marshall [473]
madchemist [475]

madchemist: 1
De Chat [468]

Not Voted: 4
Black_Griffin [484 Tamiua -> 486 BG -> 487 unvote]
@aedan777
@Ironhide G1
@Hazbot

 

[Rovsea]

You miscounted Wagonlitz's number of votes.