Yes, I am. It was so patently obvious he was baiting with his comment. Clearly the baddies thought so, since none of them contacted him. I mean, come on, you don't think so little of Deathbywombat that him being a vote or two up was enough for him to out himself, really?
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Good attempt @deathbywombat , even though it didn't work. It's always nice when people try new strats.
I agree and we need new candidates anyway. Madchemist did trigger my radar yesterday so I will be doing a full analysis later, but in the meanwhile;
Vote Madchemist
I agree and we need new candidates anyway. Madchemist did trigger my radar yesterday so I will be doing a full analysis later, but in the meanwhile;
Vote Madchemist
It isn't new though, it's been done before, which is why players like Madchemist and K-59 should have recognized it for what it was, a baiting attempt.
I hate these types of votes. They show absolutely no effort shown and it seems like your trying to piggyback a case due to laziness. You have now earned my suspicion Marshall.
I want to look at the Yakman voters, because quite honestly the vets and competent players know that he is a stupidly easy lynch target so I can imagine one the guys in the 4 people who voted him would know better. IIRC, voting people for "videonfanning" doesn't really ever work out well these days. So I'll vote Tamius, who voted Yakman and has been essentially silent this entire game.
Vote Tamius
I think that is a valid point.
It was rather obvious that it was a fake outing; and I am rather suspicious of the people following it.
Good point.
Also I wonder how much activity we get today; I would wager not much with how it is Christmas. Here in Europe deadline falls smack in the middle of dancing around the Christmas tree and opening presents.
I don't see why Yakman is less suspicious than yesterday. His behaviour is clearly suspicious, his posts can't be more suspicious. And all this attempt to save him only make him more suspicious even.
Vote Yakman
Vote Yakman
I tried, but I realized I had no clue what I was doing, so I took it in. Turns out I needed a new power supply for my computer, so I got that installed.
I did say I'm going to do analysis later and so I will. Nothing wrong with a placeholder vote and I'm definitely not going to say "this is a good case but I won't vote accordingly" à la Ironhide.
Wonderful. Looks like a few people are in need of berating for stupidity, starting with my brother and progressing to any number of others.
Time for a reread/recap.
Yakman and Rovsea jump out to an early lead, the former for celebrating the previous day's events, and the latter for something connected to posting in thread and the hunt, if I read it correctly. Yakman being Yakman, I'd be more surprised if he didn't do anything that people thought suspicious, so no real comment there. I'm still not sure I completely follow the Rovsea case, but the fact that it didn't remain a simple two-horse race alone makes it worthy of note. Wombat is quickly made a third candidate, with Jerman and Wagonlitz providing key votes to bring him to the top. No other candidates than these three ever really gain serious steam, and Hazbot pushes Wombat into a three way tie. Rovsea puts wombat up by one, and he then proceeds to out himself as a baddie, which pretty much ends all meaningful discussion on the day and makes his death a slam dunk.
Duly noted. Also unprovable either way, but fine.
For future reference, this is an incredibly stupid idea. Self-outings are pretty high up on the list of suicidal actions. You should have known better.
Are you just being stupid here, or are you explaining your pack's reasoning for not contacting him and then trying to use that against me?
Looking back, wombat's move makes precisely zero sense regardless of his role. As a villager, it's a fool's hope to expect that a wolf will contact you based on a self-outing; as a wolf, you might at least have the (pretty much equally stupid) notion that you might be helping your pack by the possibility of getting the sorc(s) in contact with your packmates by your death. Either way, I didn't take any real look beyond seeing a self-outing and reacting accordingly, mostly because I didn't have time for anything more. That said, I don't know what I'd have thought if I had had more time to think about it; it wasn't a sensible move either way, and I expect better from wombat as villager or wolf.
As for the eliminating a threat nonsense, that's such an obtuse line of reasoning that it hardly merits a reply. For one thing, my vote was hardly necessary to kill him, and for another, wombat doesn't exactly have much of a track record of getting me lynched (though he is quite fond of hunting me when he's a wolf).
Precisely this.
It's been done before by baddies as well. I know marty's tried it at least once, and I think Sleepyhead's done it as well. When done by a baddie, it's usually followed up by some sort of claim that they had successfully fished somebody.
So you've made an accusation with nothing to back it up and are promising "future analysis" which you have yet to deliver on. If you're able to post, make the analysis. At least aedan's trying to put something together, even if his case is completely wrong.
Vote Marshall
That analysis had better be good, because until I see it, you've got my vote.
As for other viable candidates, I'm particularly interested in those that pushed wombat to the lead prior to the self-outing. Rovsea stands out especially to me, what with a couple key votes pushing another player (now a known villager) into contention while Rovsea was in the lead, and his vote late in the day despite having several posts already prior to that point. I rank Hazbot, Wagon, and Kiwi as plausible connections to Rovsea if he turns up evil.
Time for a reread/recap.
Yakman and Rovsea jump out to an early lead, the former for celebrating the previous day's events, and the latter for something connected to posting in thread and the hunt, if I read it correctly. Yakman being Yakman, I'd be more surprised if he didn't do anything that people thought suspicious, so no real comment there. I'm still not sure I completely follow the Rovsea case, but the fact that it didn't remain a simple two-horse race alone makes it worthy of note. Wombat is quickly made a third candidate, with Jerman and Wagonlitz providing key votes to bring him to the top. No other candidates than these three ever really gain serious steam, and Hazbot pushes Wombat into a three way tie. Rovsea puts wombat up by one, and he then proceeds to out himself as a baddie, which pretty much ends all meaningful discussion on the day and makes his death a slam dunk.
Duly noted. Also unprovable either way, but fine.
For future reference, this is an incredibly stupid idea. Self-outings are pretty high up on the list of suicidal actions. You should have known better.
Are you just being stupid here, or are you explaining your pack's reasoning for not contacting him and then trying to use that against me?
Looking back, wombat's move makes precisely zero sense regardless of his role. As a villager, it's a fool's hope to expect that a wolf will contact you based on a self-outing; as a wolf, you might at least have the (pretty much equally stupid) notion that you might be helping your pack by the possibility of getting the sorc(s) in contact with your packmates by your death. Either way, I didn't take any real look beyond seeing a self-outing and reacting accordingly, mostly because I didn't have time for anything more. That said, I don't know what I'd have thought if I had had more time to think about it; it wasn't a sensible move either way, and I expect better from wombat as villager or wolf.
As for the eliminating a threat nonsense, that's such an obtuse line of reasoning that it hardly merits a reply. For one thing, my vote was hardly necessary to kill him, and for another, wombat doesn't exactly have much of a track record of getting me lynched (though he is quite fond of hunting me when he's a wolf).
Precisely this.
It's been done before by baddies as well. I know marty's tried it at least once, and I think Sleepyhead's done it as well. When done by a baddie, it's usually followed up by some sort of claim that they had successfully fished somebody.
So you've made an accusation with nothing to back it up and are promising "future analysis" which you have yet to deliver on. If you're able to post, make the analysis. At least aedan's trying to put something together, even if his case is completely wrong.
Vote Marshall
That analysis had better be good, because until I see it, you've got my vote.
As for other viable candidates, I'm particularly interested in those that pushed wombat to the lead prior to the self-outing. Rovsea stands out especially to me, what with a couple key votes pushing another player (now a known villager) into contention while Rovsea was in the lead, and his vote late in the day despite having several posts already prior to that point. I rank Hazbot, Wagon, and Kiwi as plausible connections to Rovsea if he turns up evil.
I know Yakman's often an easy lynch, but we shouldn't let people making wolfish statements off just because they've made a habit of doing so in the past.
I didn't describe his post as videonfanning because it isn't. It's similar, but a different kind of statement. I don't think I've ever seen a goodie celebrate the death of a cursed villager; almost always anyone doing so is a wolf trying to find a positive in the village lynching a goodie with a trait that no-one aside from the GM knew he had.
I'm surprised madchemist then made a similar, but more subtle, post to Yakman's later after he had starting being run up for it. I'd expect that he'd learn from that.
I won't counter the accusations of me being quiet, because I haven't posted much. I haven't been online as much as I could be and when I have, I haven't had much to say.
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Ugh. Both my browser and anti virus strongly protested connecting to the bus wifi due to it being completely unsecured, so I took their advice and didn't have 9 hours to play like I expected. And now no wifi here.
Should be fine, but I'll try to sort something out to make sure of that.
Should be fine, but I'll try to sort something out to make sure of that.
Keep in mind DBW was an apprentice, he could've wanted a sorc to scan him, thus making him a baddie.
Anyways,
I have to agree with this statement, he seemed to easy to lynch, but, however, I'm guessing the wolves may have wanted to make seem that way, given that his posts seem way to wolfish.
Vote Yakman...For now, until someone better comes along.
Generally speaking apprentices don't know they are apprentices.
As far as ways to save a packmate go, making him seem too easy a lynch by voting him a lot isn't good policy, since people going for the easy lynch are often prime suspects.
If I had to make a list of phrases not to say in werewolf, "until someone better comes along" would be in the top 5. It means you aren't confident in your current candidate, think that these might be a more likely one, but don't want to bother looking for it yourself. It also distances yourself from your vote, since if it ends up being bad you can call it a placeholder. Combined with the reasoning I had to vote you yesterday, I'd definitely like to see you get some more attention from other players. Madchemist remains my prefered candidate for now though.
Note: if we had to use the term "videonfanning", which I'd rather we not, then this post is either an excellent example of it, or an excellent parody of it.I don't know Black_Griffin well so I'm going to assume the former. Another candidate worth keeping an eye on.
Still an hour until Christmas here, and we're in gmt+13.
So I have wifi sorted out for the next few days, but only during daylight hours. But that should be fine. We'll all be equally distracted.
Vote de chatillon
For trying to fuel a Yakman chew toy. Also, in the past I've found him to be a player who slips under the radar.
So I have wifi sorted out for the next few days, but only during daylight hours. But that should be fine. We'll all be equally distracted.
Vote de chatillon
For trying to fuel a Yakman chew toy. Also, in the past I've found him to be a player who slips under the radar.