Werewolf CVIII: The Paradox StarLeague

[reis91]

Who saying that he did not include the fact that he is not on team evil, but rather working for the village in the sorcerer pm? We assuming that Cultists and sorcerers are on Team evil and everyone else is on team good. The rules are written allow for the only good people in the village are the plain villagers, and everyone else is on team evil.

Look at it close again.

The villagers win when all Wolves are dead.

What is defined as a villager? We assume that all non team evil are villagers, but you could say honestly that the seer is not a villager(not defined to be one in his role listing), and loses if all the werewolfs are dead, making him a member of team evil.

When you assume, you will lose.

I assumed marty could tell us he was goodie in spite of his role, I don't think that constitutes a breach of the secrecy of his Role PM. And he didn't. He ranted at being scanned, and later at the SA trait. He ranted at being hunted too, but Ciryandor has cleared that one out.

 

[Falc]

So we have the GM basically confirming that marty99 is Blessed.

Right now with that Match Fixer Seer still not properly explained (I do not have a clue what you mean by Match Fixer. It is a trait, is it a group in-game, does it mean he was on the side of the wolves or what?) I really don't know what the rules really are. Do we have some freaky setup whereby the Seer is on the side of the Wolves and the Blessed Sorceror is on the side of the villagers? Seems possible...

So yeah, not changing my vote.

 

[Eternaly_Lost]

So we have the GM basically confirming that marty99 is Blessed.

Right now with that Match Fixer Seer still not properly explained (I do not have a clue what you mean by Match Fixer. It is a trait, is it a group in-game, does it mean he was on the side of the wolves or what?) I really don't know what the rules really are. Do we have some freaky setup whereby the Seer is on the side of the Wolves and the Blessed Sorceror is on the side of the villagers? Seems possible...

So yeah, not changing my vote.

That what I was wondering about, and why I am holding my vote until the GM says something on that end.

 

[Eternaly_Lost]

But I do have to go to bed soon...

Oh well, Vote Marty

 

[randakar]

Both sides teaming up on me, fantastic.

:rofl:

 

[Adamus]

Right

1. I need to learn a lesson here guys.
2. The lesson is to read the thread properly before going to bed. Paens outing didnt look like one, wheres the big red writing!! I cant be blamed for that. I just thought it was some cock and ball and didnt even read it.
3. To gain your trust my forum freinds i will unvote vain
vote marty99
4. I hope you will take this as my genuine stupidity and not evilness. And paen use big red writing in future!! I might just read it then

 

[Kingepyon]

So this is a real outing and not a trick?

I guess if it's a trick we know who the lynch target is for tomorrow.

Vote marty99

 

[Quift]

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[Falc]

It is probably a real outing.

The problem is that it might be a trick on the part of the GM. If the Sorceror is a good guy and the Seer was a bad guy, then not only should we NOT lynch Marty but we should also completely re-evaluate the tie two days ago.

Unless, of course, no-one knew of this change in sides, in which case the tie remains suspect but we still shouldn't kill Marty...

Look, I'm sorry, Ciryandor, but I think we really need you to step in and clear this up. If we don't even know which side a role is on, if you're the only one that knows the real rules of the game, then... it's just not a real game, then you're just using us as puppets. I mean, we might have had a JL with a Seer and maybe a GA and then all of a sudden at the end of the game, it turns out they're baddies! Not actual wolves who've played a masterful infiltration, no, the roles themselves were actually baddies and everybody's gonna get pissed because it turns out no-one was allowed to play the actual game.

Yes, this is a bit of a pet peeve/sore spot. GM, please speak up and sort things out.

 

[Taiisatai64]

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Forgetting something?

 

[Adamus]

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At least that leet is readable. Well done.

 

[reis91]

Marty can have sent in an order to save himself from lynch. So we will probably have to repeat this tomorrow. Which sucks.

I'm beginning to dislike the role setups...

 

[Ciryandor]

I would appreciate if questions were stated as direct questions to the GM and not placed as part of speculative discussion on roles/traits, much like how it has worked in older games. This would make answering them:

* Unambiguous
* Unbiased
* Understandable to all players

I have been working with the presumption that even if many here are relatively new to Werewolf play, that you would have read and understood the rules; and that all updates that I have given provides the information you need in this game. Any further inquiries should be clearly directed at the GM and not left in the middle of posts.

 

[Falc]

Okay, I thought I was being clear enough, but perhaps I wasn't.

Please provide us with a complete list of which side each role is on. Or, alternatively, a complete list of the victory conditions for each role.

 

[Ciryandor]

Okay, I thought I was being clear enough, but perhaps I wasn't.

Please provide us with a complete list of which side each role is on. Or, alternatively, a complete list of the victory conditions for each role.

Villager, Seer, Priest, GA, Doctor, Apprentices scanned by Seer/Priest: All wolves are dead.

Wolves: All wolves of any opposing pack/s are dead; have enough affiliated players (Cultist/Sorcerer/s and Sorcerer's Apprentices) in contact to have parity with Villagers plus scanners

Cultist, Sorcerer, Apprentices scanned by Sorcerer: In contact with a wolf pack and have enough affiliated players to be in parity with Villagers + Scanners

 

[randakar]

I presume "villagers+scanners" actually includes the GA, Doctor, and associated apprentices

Before there is any further confusion ..

 

[reis91]

The rules don't specify if those are roles or traits...

So, sorceror can save himself from lynch once. Is this worth a hunt, to avoid marty getting an extra scan?

 

[Najs]

The rules don't specify if those are roles or traits...

So, sorceror can save himself from lynch once. Is this worth a hunt, to avoid marty getting an extra scan?

Are you sure the sorcerer can save himself?

Ciryandor, would you please tell us whether the sorcerer can save himself from a lynch?

 

[reis91]

The rules do not contradict it, so I assume he can. Most unorthodox, but fits well with the theme ("It's not an exploit, it's a feature")

 

[Falc]

Reis, they do, look at the front page. Sorcerer is a role, Blessed is a trait. And the GM pretty much spilled the beans on Marty being Blessed.

So for me, it's pretty clear with everything that has been said that Marty99 is a Sorceror.

EDIT: And that killing the Sorcerer is a Good Thing (TM)!

Vote, people, vote!