I don't quite understand the Illiria mess, but I think Rovsea had a hand in turning in johho. He had literally no incentive to do so as a wolf.
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Indeed, however the night immediately following the Illyria mess, there was a no hunt. Rovsea could have been cursed and turned.
Also, are we sure that Luftwafer is really the GA and not just a claimant? Because if he is... it doesn't seem to fit with the evidence.
Ah, true... this is starting to make sense. Next time, tonka needs... make a better case at the beginning. Thanks.
Well he claims it and apparently Rovsea and Tonka believe him. No one else contacted Rovsea to claim it, so either luft is it, or he's made a bold claim and got really lucky.
I thought for sure he was with his scan list including Euro but he said he was told to take it off of Euro, which makes no sense, and immediately after Rovsea said he wasn't lying so for now I don't think we have any reason to believe he is lying though I could be wrong.
You realize I already said that right?
Excuse me?
None of this makes sense for Rovsea to be a villager it just doesn't add up.
To compile some stuff,
Chemist scanned me and was keeping me up to date on what he heard. He contacted Rovsea and told him his identity but kept me secret. Chemist passed along what Rovsea told him about the make up of the JL and Rovsea never said anything about Wombat or a leader in general. Notice also that Rovsea has admitted to not telling Chemist about the plan which makes no sense at all. Next we have the fact Rovsea told Luft to change his protection from Euro who got hunted to Ironhead? Why would he do this unless to protect a packmate? and also along with that Rovsea said They told him to do this but who is they? I know it isn't Chemist and there are no other possibilities that I know of that could be commanding Rovsea aside from his pack, which would mean he actually accidentally outed himself to Luft.
Next the wolves knew to hunt Euro and Brutalize Chemist which is very odd as if the Sorc had scanned Chemist wouldn't he have told the pack to instead hunt him, thinking the Ga would be protecting someone in the public eye like Euro or Rovsea, which he should have been...
I'm probably missing some stuff and If I think of anything else I'll come back but for now I have to go do some work.
Chemist scanned me and was keeping me up to date on what he heard. He contacted Rovsea and told him his identity but kept me secret. Chemist passed along what Rovsea told him about the make up of the JL and Rovsea never said anything about Wombat or a leader in general. Notice also that Rovsea has admitted to not telling Chemist about the plan which makes no sense at all. Next we have the fact Rovsea told Luft to change his protection from Euro who got hunted to Ironhead? Why would he do this unless to protect a packmate? and also along with that Rovsea said They told him to do this but who is they? I know it isn't Chemist and there are no other possibilities that I know of that could be commanding Rovsea aside from his pack, which would mean he actually accidentally outed himself to Luft.
Next the wolves knew to hunt Euro and Brutalize Chemist which is very odd as if the Sorc had scanned Chemist wouldn't he have told the pack to instead hunt him, thinking the Ga would be protecting someone in the public eye like Euro or Rovsea, which he should have been...
I'm probably missing some stuff and If I think of anything else I'll come back but for now I have to go do some work.
Yes, tonka, a few commas in the right places would be beneficial for your readers' comprehension.
Wow. So I leave for a little bit and the thread goes ballistic.
The JL outing themselves was... not a smart move. And that's an understatement. Now the freaking GA has a Canada-sized target on his back (thank you, Tonka), as does Tonka himself, a self-proclaimed apprentice (now priest, I guess - yay for him). Ironhead's now out in the open, too. Congratulations - you and Rovsea practically gave a road map for the wolves on who to hunt/avoid. What the hell were you all thinking?
Especially after Rovsea's gambit got us a wolf in the first place. As for Hax having brutal - how the hell was anyone supposed to know about that? If Rovsea is a wolf, then he'd have to be a red wolf in order to effectively coordinate the brutalization/hunt, as I don't really see another way how he could have known about Hax's brutal trait. But if he was a red wolf, then he would have had to have been an imbecile to organize the death of Hax in the first place. So if he's a wolf, he must be a yellow - but then how could he have known about Hax's brutal trait? Unless the red and yellow packs are somehow in communication, and Hax stupidly let that slip - which would indicate there's a witch or sorcerer somewhere bridging the packs, because I doubt they would be openly in contact (unless they were really stupid). But that fits in with Rovsea's theory of there being a witch in the first place.
I can't envision the hunt/brutalizing as a coincidence - Rovsea/EUROO7 would have been the obvious brutalization choice under normal circumstances. But EUROO7 was an obvious target for hunting, since a hunt on Rovsea would have been a dicey proposition, as he is Pathological Liar. Outing the entire freaking JL over the results of yesterday before all the facts are/were in was borderline lunacy. I need to do some analysis before voting, but for now, I'm just shaking my head.
The JL outing themselves was... not a smart move. And that's an understatement. Now the freaking GA has a Canada-sized target on his back (thank you, Tonka), as does Tonka himself, a self-proclaimed apprentice (now priest, I guess - yay for him). Ironhead's now out in the open, too. Congratulations - you and Rovsea practically gave a road map for the wolves on who to hunt/avoid. What the hell were you all thinking?
Especially after Rovsea's gambit got us a wolf in the first place. As for Hax having brutal - how the hell was anyone supposed to know about that? If Rovsea is a wolf, then he'd have to be a red wolf in order to effectively coordinate the brutalization/hunt, as I don't really see another way how he could have known about Hax's brutal trait. But if he was a red wolf, then he would have had to have been an imbecile to organize the death of Hax in the first place. So if he's a wolf, he must be a yellow - but then how could he have known about Hax's brutal trait? Unless the red and yellow packs are somehow in communication, and Hax stupidly let that slip - which would indicate there's a witch or sorcerer somewhere bridging the packs, because I doubt they would be openly in contact (unless they were really stupid). But that fits in with Rovsea's theory of there being a witch in the first place.
I can't envision the hunt/brutalizing as a coincidence - Rovsea/EUROO7 would have been the obvious brutalization choice under normal circumstances. But EUROO7 was an obvious target for hunting, since a hunt on Rovsea would have been a dicey proposition, as he is Pathological Liar. Outing the entire freaking JL over the results of yesterday before all the facts are/were in was borderline lunacy. I need to do some analysis before voting, but for now, I'm just shaking my head.
The only person who could possibly be "the leak" is Luftwafer, and I doubt any pack would send Luftwafer in to infiltrate the JL as a claimed GA. I can see somebody trying to put a wolf in the JL after the Seer dies, but claiming GA could lead to said person being potentially outed as a fake too easily. That's why I don't think Luftwafer is a leak. Also, he would have had to guess if MC was the Priest or not from what I gave him, which while technically possible makes it still unlikelier.
You are very intelligent Wombat which is why I find it so odd you buy what Rovsea is saying so easily. And thank you because i had actually forgotten about the bridge between hax and Rovsea, Hax actually told Rovsea and Euro that he was brutal because Rovsea told chemist. which is why Euro said not to kill Hax.
So yeah I do think the two packs are in communication via someone.
Tonka, I told both Ironhead and Madchemist that Deathbywombat had contacted me claiming the Leader trait. Ironhead can back that up.
Chemist never said anything about Deathbywombat to me or of a leader and I can't believe Ironhead considering you had the GA protect him which makes no sense to me and was a horrible, horrible move if you really are good.
You have to understand their are two many coincidences and weird things for me to have not acted, I had the scan list for GA and it said Euro was being protected and yet he died that was the first one. Secondly the sheer fact Chemist got brutalized who just the day before had revealed himself to you. Thirdly the entire wombat rovsea union reeked considering I knew the priest had no knowledge of it or at least never said anything which considering we have been talking just before seems kinda weird to have not mentioned something. It just doesn't add up to me with everything I've known. I mean if you aren't lying I'm sorry I really am but this is what the available1 information conveyed to me.
Finally if you are good then you should know I am good and you need to in private disclose to me who the they you told Luft about is, because as far as I know they shouldn't exist unless they are your pack.
This is what I mean btw with the "you were told" I need to know who told you.
I would like to offer my humblest apologies to EURO for doubting his decision to out himself rather than have anything to do with this JL.
If Rovsea is the leak:
Rovsea is a wolf
he intentionally made it so EURO was able to be hunted
If Rovsea is a red wolf:
-he leaked the details of the JL to Hax
-he arranged to leaderlynch his packmate
If Rovsea is a yellow wolf:
-he leaked the details of the JL to someone who leaked it to Hax, and guessed the other pack had brutals because his did
-he arranged to leaderlynch someone who he guessed or knew was an opposing wolf
If Rovsea is not the leak:
-either/both of Luftwafer or tonka is the leak (is there any unknown party? Don't tell me who.)
if Luftwafer is the leak:
-he is probably not GA, but wolf/witch
-his protections didn't exist
-he changed his orders w/o telling Rovsea
if tonka is the leak:
-he has reason to try to screw Rovsea over
-Luftwafer's changed order makes no sense
if both are the leak:
-Luftwafer's changed order makes no sense, so he is lying (was it ever confirmed by Rovsea?).
I think Rovsea is probably a yellow wolf because it fits with what we know most.
Vote Rovsea
Rovsea is a wolf
he intentionally made it so EURO was able to be hunted
If Rovsea is a red wolf:
-he leaked the details of the JL to Hax
-he arranged to leaderlynch his packmate
If Rovsea is a yellow wolf:
-he leaked the details of the JL to someone who leaked it to Hax, and guessed the other pack had brutals because his did
-he arranged to leaderlynch someone who he guessed or knew was an opposing wolf
If Rovsea is not the leak:
-either/both of Luftwafer or tonka is the leak (is there any unknown party? Don't tell me who.)
if Luftwafer is the leak:
-he is probably not GA, but wolf/witch
-his protections didn't exist
-he changed his orders w/o telling Rovsea
if tonka is the leak:
-he has reason to try to screw Rovsea over
-Luftwafer's changed order makes no sense
if both are the leak:
-Luftwafer's changed order makes no sense, so he is lying (was it ever confirmed by Rovsea?).
I think Rovsea is probably a yellow wolf because it fits with what we know most.
Vote Rovsea