Werewolf CLXXIV: Trouble on The Stockholm

[Wagonlitz]

Actually, seemingly Wagon has more votes on him, going by Sed's votecount. I find him a marginally better candidate than E_L.

Unvote EUROO7 Vote Wagonlitz

You should know well that I don't delete posts as a baddie. You have several times seen me act as a baddie and I am really meticulous in not giving away any info in the thread; deleting a post as a baddie is pretty much the opposite of how I normally play baddie. Don't you remember how logical and mathematically I approached the game in e.g. Infernal Affairs?

 

[Wagonlitz]

How much time until deadline?

2 h 47 minutes.

 

[Adamus]

unvote euro
Vote wagon

 

[Sand3r205]

Unvote EURO vote Sedracus

My suspect is you.I have the feeling you lying about your trait.

??? You are making yourself so suspicous...

EURO will get shot anyways so I'll just

Unvote EUROO7
VOTE DutchGuy

 

[Gen. Skobelev]

El Jésus, this thread moves rather fast now.

Btw, unattached baddies contact me. My pack is the strongest by far.

Not that surprising development, really.

But why not put out the match when noticing there is nobody. Or at least after having waited for quite a while?

Because without your trusty matchlock ready you would be unarmed? And since the hunter is (supposedly) in the room of werewolf, it's good to have gun at hand as the target could return at any moment. (Like I said, I'd not necessarily use this set of hunter rules but I can see where it's coming from - also makes more important to not only have a good target for the shot but also the right moment.)

It's hard to keep up... How did I ever have enough time to keep up with these last year?

Either way, I think we should let Sed shoot Euro. As a rule I tend to ignore anything an outed wolf says, and therefore don't believe his claim that he can't be shot. I'd leave him to be useful for later, *if* hunter was also OEO, but as it's not, I don't suspect he'd live till then. Even though he's an obvious protection target, I don't think we could protect him everyday. Protect him today, they get him tomorrow.

Now that it is known that he is a hunter, he needs to use his shot quick or die, and Euro is the best target we have.

Well, I was kind of expecting that Sedracus would get some protection. And that protection might either save him or deter the wolves from outright trying to hunt him; and both scenarios would preserve his hunter ability for later. It's of course assuming there are 2 protectors and they could somehow get the days right - but even if they don't, would wolves want to risk it? Of course it's moot point if Euro is brutal and lynched.

Then the question is, who should I vote instead? I can't imagine why a goodie EL would post that in the thread, but then again, I can't picture why a baddie EL would do it either. The theory of warning his packmates doesn't really make sense, I tend to reply to PMs only after having read all the ones I've gotten. If anything, it's the thread I'm likely to not check.

Then again, he could have been warning *other* baddies, but would a baddie risk making himself look suspicious just for that?

Yeah, that's the point. I guess if everybody is adamant about using hunter to whack Euro we could lynch somebody. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised that plenty of votes will stay on Euro despite any normal (non-outing) switch so there couldn't be tons of candidates to spread the votes on.

Does my memory fail me here or was somebody voicing suspicion about Sedracus yesterday? Or was it about Sand3r205? I suppose I should try to find if I'm mistaken. *Sigh*

Stop talking as if I'm not going to shoot someone tonight. People will die, captain's orders.

Focus on analysis, and lynching who we believe to be a baddie as per normal democratic procedure.

And zombies, kindly unvote Euro and vote whomever you believe is most suspicious.

As has been pointed out before: If nobody is shot tonight, I die tomorrow.

Well, if you are hellbent on getting your shot off, who am I to stop you? I guess I really need to reread a bit to see if I can think of any candidates.

So, we have an outting and now the wolves are trying to save their packmate, by bandwagon me.

That the only reason I see to not vote for Euro. So, should they manage to pull it off, I am sure we have quite a few good lynches when you all see that I am a villager here.

I would think that there might be plenty of reasons for voting you (Euro gets shot so another lynch candidate needed, you made some odd noices about the PM stuff, etc.)

Unvote EURO Vote Eternaly_Lost

The case on E_L is bogus, completely. But he could yet be a wolf anyway - his response was someone that isn't really dependent on role so much. And since he seems to be most likely to be getting votes in EURO's stead he gets my vote for now to try and get a decent voting cycle. If I can get more votes off EURO, we can try out different candidates too.

No reason not to take Sed's word at face value. He is obviously a hunter, even though that doesn't clear him of being a baddie 100%.

I wouldn't dismiss the case entirely that quickly. I don't know E_L well enough to say what he might or might not say or do so I guess you might have a point there.

Unvote Ironhead5
Vote WagonlitZ

Orders from the high command.

Why Wagonlitz? And what's that "high command" stuff - just RP, I think?

didn't euro just admit that he was a wolf?:blink:

Yes, but it seems Sedracus wants badly to shoot him and we should vote somebody else.

Unvote EURO vote Sedracus

My suspect is you.I have the feeling you lying about your trait.

Doh. If we lynch him, he won't shoot Euro. Besides, unless he was SA scanned baddie, what would he gain by lying?

Actually, seemingly Wagon has more votes on him, going by Sed's votecount. I find him a marginally better candidate than E_L.

Unvote EUROO7 Vote Wagonlitz

Your vote is on Eternaly_Lost

How much time until deadline?

2 hours 45 mins.

??? You are making yourself so suspicous...

EURO will get shot anyways so I'll just

Unvote EUROO7
VOTE DutchGuy

DG acts always like that. Then again, he could very well be baddie from other pack than Euro.

 

[madchemist]

Not sure why, but I'm getting more of a goodie read from Wagon's protestations. I'd prefer for him to live.

Unvote Rysz
Vote E_L

 

[Sedracus]

My bad, count was wrong. Corrected count coming in ASAP.

 

[Gen. Skobelev]

EUROO7: 11
Arkasas [316]
Rysz [320]
brovahkiin [322]
esemesas [323]
tamius23 [354]
Nautilu [355]
Eternaly_Lost [370]
Falc [407]
Gen. Skobelev [413]
Ironhead 5 [384 EUROO7 -> 396 Wagonlitz -> 414]
Kaisersohaib [435]

Wagonlitz: 7
Sleepyhead [324 EUROO7 -> 335]
Yakman [340]
johho888 [342]
Rovsea [356]
GreatUberGeek [331 EUROO7 -> 364]
Hax [366 Ironhead 5 -> 470]
Adamus [403 EUROO7 -> 483]

Eternaly_Lost: 7
Daffius [409]
randakar [405 Wagonlitz -> 405 EUROO7 -> 405 unvote -> 416]
Sedracus [453]
Wagonlitz [319 EUROO7 -> 455]
marty99 [426 EUROO7 -> 468]
Panzer Commader [318 EUROO7 -> 469]
madchemist [379 Rysz -> 486]

Rysz: 1
Capt. Kiwi [362]

Sleepyhead: 1
alxeu [336]

Dexander: 1
happycats517 [337]

madchemist: 1
al-Aziz [341]

Arkasas: 1
aedan777 [380]

Sedracus: 1
DutchGuy [317 EUROO7 -> 475]

DutchGuy: 1
Sand3r205 [325 EUROO7 -> 484]


not voted: 2
Dexander
EUROO7


marty99 tried to unvote EUROO7 and vote Wagonlitz in post 477 but was voting Eternaly_Lost

 

[PanzerCorps]

2 h 47 minutes.

Well, that should be enough to get EL killed, then.

 

[Gen. Skobelev]

Ah well, I guess if I have to choose between Wagonlitz and E_L, I prefer lynching E_L.

Unvote EUROO7, vote Eternaly_Lost

 

[AzagalTheGreat]

No, I am just moving my vote away .

 

[brovahkiin]

Unvote Euro vote EL

 

[Sedracus]

Correct as of #492.


Euro 9 - Arkasas (316), Panzer (318), Rysz (320), Ese (323), , Tamius (354), Nautilu (355), E_Lost (370), Falc (407), , Ironhead (384,396,414)
E_Lost 9 - Daffius (409), Randy (405,416), Sedracus (453), Wagon (319 Euro -> 455), Kaisersohaib (435), Marty (426 Euro -> 468 Sleepy -> 477 invalid unvote), , Madchemist (379 Rysz -> 486), Skob (413 Euro -> 490), [Broh (322 Euro -> 492),
Wagon 6 - Sleepy (324,335), Yakman (340), Johho (342), Rovsea (356), GUG (331,364), Adamus (403 Euro -> 483),
Rysz 1 - Kiwi (362)
Sleepy 1 - Alxeu (336)
Dexander 1 - Happycats (337)
Madchemist 1 - al-Aziz (341)
Ironhead 1 - Hax (366)
Arkasas 1 - Aedan (380)
Sedracus 1 - DutchGuy (317 Euro -> 475),
dutchguy 1 - Sander (325 Euro -> 484)

Not voted: Dexander, Euro,

 

[tamius23]

I don't really understand why Sedracus would volunteer like that. All we end up with is one fewer hunter power, a random lynch, and a villager painting an enormous target on his back. And possibly no dead EURO, if he's a lover, but I don't think that's likely.

Anyway, seems we don't want EURO at the top although that's something I'd very much prefer.

Unvote EURO
Vote DutchGuy

for his idiotic vote

 

[marty99]

You should know well that I don't delete posts as a baddie. You have several times seen me act as a baddie and I am really meticulous in not giving away any info in the thread; deleting a post as a baddie is pretty much the opposite of how I normally play baddie. Don't you remember how logical and mathematically I approached the game in e.g. Infernal Affairs?

You don't normally do it as a goodie either.

Why did you delete the post?

 

[Sedracus]

I don't really understand why Sedracus would volunteer like that. All we end up with is one fewer hunter power, a random lynch, and a villager painting an enormous target on his back. And possibly no dead EURO, if he's a lover, but I don't think that's likely.

The reason is the vote cycle. If we did not have a somewhat proper vote cycle day 1, we would have so little info to go on the next days.

We have an outed wolf at a highly improper time. Therefore I chose to save day 1.

 

[AzagalTheGreat]

As I aint sure Eternally is a wolf, I want nothing to do with his death, that would make me, cleared villager with used up trait, suspicious.

 

[tamius23]

The reason is the vote cycle. If we did not have a somewhat proper vote cycle day 1, we would have so little info to go on the next days.

We have an outed wolf at a highly improper time. Therefore I chose to save day 1.

I've never really had any information to extract from day one besides wolves making throwaways on their packmates (which happens all the time. They never learn!), but even that is hardly going to happen with the ELwagon. If it was day 4, fair enough, but day 1? It's not worth risking your life.

 

[Gen. Skobelev]

I don't really understand why Sedracus would volunteer like that. All we end up with is one fewer hunter power, a random lynch, and a villager painting an enormous target on his back. And possibly no dead EURO, if he's a lover, but I don't think that's likely.

Anyway, seems we don't want EURO at the top although that's something I'd very much prefer.

Unvote EURO
Vote DutchGuy

for his idiotic vote

I could be very well wrong but I seem to recall somebody saying earlier that he's suspect. If such thing happened, it could very well be a case of buying goodwill and hope previous suspicions would be forgotten. Then again, he's outed his hunter trait so using it up soon so it won't be wasted (while discounting protectors) is sensible idea.

You don't normally do it as a goodie either.

Why did you delete the post?

Mmmyeah, not usual way to go. I guess it could indeed have been elaborate thing to get scanned that might have backfired.

The reason is the vote cycle. If we did not have a somewhat proper vote cycle day 1, we would have so little info to go on the next days.

We have an outed wolf at a highly improper time. Therefore I chose to save day 1.

Agreed on the stupid time for outing. Then again, I'm not sure if today could be "proper cycle" even though it will give some info at least.

As I aint sure Eternally is a wolf, I want nothing to do with his death, that would make me, cleared villager with used up trait, suspicious.

Huh? He could be a wolf, could be a villager or something but why do you already feel the need to distance yourself from him? Besides, you aren't cleared villager, you are just somebody who scanned Euro as wolf and did Comm Cody with the information (if the info is correct).

 

[Sand3r205]

The reason is the vote cycle. If we did not have a somewhat proper vote cycle day 1, we would have so little info to go on the next days.

We have an outed wolf at a highly improper time. Therefore I chose to save day 1.

Are you trying to get goodie points met risking your life? Not bad.