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Brutal villager in a game where all dead villagers have been without traits? Colour me sceptical.

Ditto.


Skobelev :

I was active yesterday for a while, our times are not compatible, so don't blame me, me and sohaib were busy yesterday night, which explains the no votes. skimming along is very "harsh", as there are many people far more invisible than me, f.e sohaib, alxeu ( he has lots of excuses doesn't he? ).

Let's not forget Falc. And Arkasas.

How could you know that?

With this GM I would not be surprised to learn that he's telling people that, too.

I think I am done voting sed for now though. He's suspicious, but less so than others right now and more importantly more active than others, too.

Unvote sedracus
Vote sohaib


Let's see what this brutal villager thing is really all about.
 

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sohaib isn't home right now, but I can tell him to see what's going on when he comes back if you want?
 

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I can see why I'm being run up, but you are wrong. My reason for voting Euro was that I didn't like the way he was run up. Twice!

I'm half minded about actually putting up a defense, cause as a villager I don't think I'll be doing the village a favour by staying alive. As long as I live, I'll probably be in the front running, thereby blurring whatever info can be gained by providing an easy lynch for wolves to hide behind. On the other hand I also don't want the village to lose a day for nothing.

ah, freak it

Vote Sohaib

Self preservation
 

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Hi guys. I'm a hunter. I'm also an innkeeper.

Hubris. You can neither allow nor disallow a lynch, you barely have more information than a standard villager (unless somebody contacted you).

As an easily clearable villager, I expect to have at least some more clout with who gets lynched than a player who could potentially be a wolf.

Although given my choices thus far, I guess I shouldn't presume that anyone should want to listen to me.

Some people think you could be a wolf, MC, so maybe not reading comprehension fail.

Still reading comprehension fail, or logic fail. Killing randy and finding him to be a wolf would incriminate me, sure. But if he's a villager, you just lynched a cleared villager and still don't know whether or not I'm evil. Whereas lynching me means you gain two people you can trust to be villagers (as I survive and randy is cleared by me), or if I'm evil, I get discovered, you still have a chance to lynch a secondary candidate when I use innkeeper, and you have excellent reason to suspect randy.

Myeah. Might almost just as well start randomly lynching people in pairs as analysis will be close to impossible with 4 packs as there's too many possibilities.

I'm OK with that. In fact I would kind of encourage it, at this point.




For any wolfpack to have a chance in 4-pack game there should be tons of wolves. Given the limited number of players and tons of dead villagers seen I don't think the packs can be very big or almost everybody remaining would be baddie.

Yeah, even 3 wolves to a pack would mean just about everyone else alive is evil.


Yeah, I'm leaning towards asymmetrical packs at least as far as traits go. I doubt we'll find 3 more liar wolves and 3 brutals.
Agreed.

Yea, this. Then again, if MC isn't offed soon enough (depending on his liar claims) we might start to think he has some clout with the wolves as liar could be a big threat to wolves at this point.

Right... So I have to keep an innkeeper in reserve just in case I survive another couple days, while threatening the wolves with my gun, which may or may not be loaded on any given night. This'll be entertaining...


It's always possible but I don't think how you could draw from that I'm a wolf. Besides, it only takes one wolf to send whatever hunt is done. And moreover, once the game has started for real there are no one who's safe from the hunt - anybody is free game. And lastly, having "vet pack" and "newb pack" would either require some luck with the role rolls or GM handpicking players into certain roles, something that's frowned upon and usually ends poorly.

I don't recall him directly accusing you. Defensive a bit much?

This. If you think the liar & scan are shenanigans by wolves, vote MC, not Randy. But I think there are better candidates out there.

Yep.


Vote Daffius

I looked at the voting record, and maybe it's just because I'm tired, but his vote to help save EUROwolf was the first thing to stand out to me. If Daffy is a wolf, we might consider interrogating MC.

It wasn't a save, though; it merely got someone else lynched along with EURO.

That said, interrogate away. I'm not sure what extra info you hope to gain from that, though.



So what's the votecount right now? I think I'm just going to keep pushing for ties unless a very good reason not to appears.
 

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So what's the votecount right now? I think I'm just going to keep pushing for ties unless a very good reason not to appears.

Yep, I agree with ties. I won't snipe to break it!

I don't think you'll be hunted though. I'm sure the wolves will start turning on each other soon enough. If it is in fact 3 per pack we have tons of wolves left, so killing villagers is no longer a priority. We can just lynch ourselves anyway, lol. Unless of course there aren't so many left as it was balanced by giving wolves extra traits to compensate.

I didn't narrow down possibilities too much there, did I?

Anyway until we see villagers with any traits, both yourself and Sohaib are suspect as well. The ruse with Randy would be risky, but I'm sure it's not the first time it would happen in ww history, so I'd commend you for it.

BTW, did you scan yesterday?
 

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Yep, I agree with ties. I won't snipe to break it!

I don't think you'll be hunted though. I'm sure the wolves will start turning on each other soon enough. If it is in fact 3 per pack we have tons of wolves left, so killing villagers is no longer a priority. We can just lynch ourselves anyway, lol. Unless of course there aren't so many left as it was balanced by giving wolves extra traits to compensate.

I didn't narrow down possibilities too much there, did I?

Anyway until we see villagers with any traits, both yourself and Sohaib are suspect as well. The ruse with Randy would be risky, but I'm sure it's not the first time it would happen in ww history, so I'd commend you for it.

BTW, did you scan yesterday?

Negative. I only have two abilities left, so I decided to take a chance and not use any. Which worked (survival-wise, anyhow), and on the plus side means I still have two to play with, but that means I'm still a potential threat, especially with a second seer ability well within my repertoire.

I hope the wolves start to recognize each other as the greater threat, but I am very far from counting on that. Maybe I should just disappear today. :ninja:
 

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Negative. I only have two abilities left, so I decided to take a chance and not use any. Which worked (survival-wise, anyhow), and on the plus side means I still have two to play with, but that means I'm still a potential threat, especially with a second seer ability well within my repertoire.

I hope the wolves start to recognize each other as the greater threat, but I am very far from counting on that. Maybe I should just disappear today. :ninja:

Or your pack hunted yesterday? The fact that Randy is a villager shouldn't clear you, as a wolf you could scan him and tell him he is a villager to gain goodie points.

Tell you what. Why not join us in a glorious 3-way TIE. You've already claimed innkeeper, so nothing to loose right? "I know you want to but you can't say yes"
 

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18 out of 28 players dead.

7 villagers, 3 wolves so far, of 3 packs.
Presuming an equal setup, we're looking at a 3-pack setup and probably 3 wolves per pack, equaling to 9 wolves.
That would mean there would be 6 wolves left out of the 18 players, meaning 1 in 3 out of us is a wolf.

If it's a 4 pack setup with 3 wolves each, there would be 9 wolves left out of 18 players, meaning 1 in 2.
If this is the case, the wolves will be focusing on finding other packs and killing them off to get towards parity.

I don't expect that with 28 players it'd be 4 packs and 2 wolves each. It could be 3 packs and 4 wolves, however.
 

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Sedracus [randakar 679 -> 715]

sohaib26: 4
Gen. Skobelev [700]
Arkasas [712]
randakar [Sedracus 672 -> 722]
Daffius [724]

Sedracus: 1
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Seven no-voters, two one of which is in the running. This will be a fun three hours.
 

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Or your pack hunted yesterday? The fact that Randy is a villager shouldn't clear you, as a wolf you could scan him and tell him he is a villager to gain goodie points.

Tell you what. Why not join us in a glorious 3-way TIE. You've already claimed innkeeper, so nothing to loose right? "I know you want to but you can't say yes"

I'm game. I've been inviting it for the past couple days, if people are interested. Heck, I might even just do it regardless of whether or not I'm lynched; there's no rule saying I have to be the vote leader.

18 out of 28 players dead.

7 villagers, 3 wolves so far, of 3 packs.
Presuming an equal setup, we're looking at a 3-pack setup and probably 3 wolves per pack, equaling to 9 wolves.
That would mean there would be 6 wolves left out of the 18 players, meaning 1 in 3 out of us is a wolf.

If it's a 4 pack setup with 3 wolves each, there would be 9 wolves left out of 18 players, meaning 1 in 2.
If this is the case, the wolves will be focusing on finding other packs and killing them off to get towards parity.

I don't expect that with 28 players it'd be 4 packs and 2 wolves each. It could be 3 packs and 4 wolves, however.

We already know of four packs, so there's that.
 

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I'm game. I've been inviting it for the past couple days, if people are interested. Heck, I might even just do it regardless of whether or not I'm lynched; there's no rule saying I have to be the vote leader.



We already know of four packs, so there's that.

Fair enough.

Will be offline for the rest of the evening, time to travel to the far south-eastern side of the country. (they have mountains over there! Mountains, gandalf!)
 

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I am fairly sure that sohaib26 is a wolf, since looking back at the villagers death all of them have been traitless as already mentioned, but, Gorganslayer was confirmed a villager by the GM in the update, so does this mean there is some villagers with actual traits?