Werewolf CLXIII: The Last Council of Mankind

[Nautilu]

Who has nominated Wagonlitz as the leader of the village? I was only glancing at the forum on the weekend, so I might have missed something of value.

 

[Hax]

guys i must believe in my goal. Without no goal no results. We must move forward. Both sides. Let's gym.

Unvote Falc
Vote Kaatje

I suspect my austrian friend is hiding something but i will move on for today. Let's see if the girl can lift.

 

[Cymsdale]

Who is for targeting Arkasas, Rosvea, and Narref today? We get two prime candidate and a zombie with all the possible benefits to analysis and so on and so forth that doing this might provide.

VOTE ROSVEA since I've got to vote sometime.

I'd replace Arkasas with Kaetje in that list. I think Arkasas is a good candidate, but I worry about sorc protection.

 

[Cymsdale]

Vote kaetje

 

[Wagonlitz]

Who has nominated Wagonlitz as the leader of the village? I was only glancing at the forum on the weekend, so I might have missed something of value.

Nobody has elected me village leader; I also haven't been acting like a village leader. I simply stated---as many people before me---that Arkasas by far is the most likely person to be lynch protected by the nihilist. Therefore it would be insanity to run him up again and potentially end up with no lynch!

 

[J. Passepartout]

I'd replace Arkasas with Kaetje in that list. I think Arkasas is a good candidate, but I worry about sorc protection.

Okay, let's do it. I will guard against Hax using his magic powder.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Den foreløbige Optælling:

narref: 4
tamius23 [3243]
Dadarian [3256]
sbr [3317]
Nautilu [3342]

snoopdogg: 4
k-59 [3305]
enkhuush [3311]
Gen. Marshall [3336]
LatinKaiser [3350]

Rovsea: 4
ShoGul [3318]
Wagonlitz [3266 Falc -> 3345]
Kaiserohaib [3235 kaetje -> 3283 Falc -> 3347]
J. Passepartout [3359]

kaetje: 3
Humancalculator [3314]
Hax [3274 Falc -> 3362]
Cymsdale [3364]

Rascar Capac: 2
AsdfeZxcas [3281]
randakar [3332 narref -> 3332]

Rysz: 1
Kaetje [3233]

tamius: 1
narref [3278]

k-59: 1
snoopdogg [3252 sbr -> 3304 narref -> 3306]

punkbob: 1
madchemist [3333]

Not voted: 24
Rovsea []
Arkasas []
Walrus []
Falc []
Ithvan []
johho888 []
EUROO7 []
Gen. Skobelev []
Rysz []
tonkatoy5 []
Cliges []
alxeu []
jonti-h []
Plank of Wood []
Daffius []
Chieron []
jcucc []
Gots []
Rascar Capac []
Teep []
Galbatorix994 []
Punkbob []
Dr.Livingstone []
naxhi24 []


S. A. Kierkegaard

 

[Kaetje]

This game is so huge, I'm feeling a lot of analysis paralysis with the sheer number of players. I think the biggest threat at the moment is the sorcerer, because I do not like the sound of that lynch protection one bit. Which means we can't afford to make it too obvious who we will focus on the next day. I don't recall who said it above, but it does make some sense that they might protect Ark even if he was a goodie, simply to disrupt the village. Unfortunately, we have very little to go on to root who HDK's master might be.

I'm going to scan through the colored vote count and just report my random observations as I go along...

Day One

Arkasas: Biggest defender of Panzer, eventually votes for him near the end. It's difficult for me to believe that he would be defending his packmate as strongly as he did, but he pretty much doomed himself into being a lynch candidate until he ends up dead. On the bright side, he probably made himself hunt-immune.

jcucc: No activity until he jumps onto Panzer at the end because he "hates ties". Could be an alibi vote, could be he just hates ties. If he didn't want a tie, he probably should have made an argument for it instead of just zombieing until sniping at the end though.

Rovsea: New player, but has shown to be pretty good at taking stabs at analysis... before this game. Now, just kinda goes wild, votes Panzer ONLY after he outs himself, and then kinda goes radio silent from that point forward (presumably busy over the weekend, and I have no reason to not believe this). However, I note that while Rovsea was a hovering as a top candidate during that day, his previous votes were for none of the other top ones. Avoiding voting for Panzer AND avoiding Ark, even though both would have been solid choices for self-preservation. Honestly, Rovsea's behavior has been different enough from when he was a villager last game that I'm inclined to put him at the top of my suspect list.

Kaetje: A lot of unexplained vote switching near deadline. Likes Panzer, doesn't like Panzer, likes Panzer again, how about Comm Cody, ultimately lands on Arkasas. There should be a term for a vote switcher who alternates a lot and then ultimately lands on someone they never considered an option up until the end. So why ultimately land on Ark? Was it just to go for a tie? Why the schitzo voting on and off Panzer? This does not seem like villager behavior to me, it reeks of serving multiple agendas (get an alibi, spread some confusion AND try to save a packmate (or tie him)?) I'd be happy seeing Kaetju and Rovsea be run up I think.

I will think on this more later, but I want to get this in now so the forum doesn't eat it.

EDIT: Sigh, this game moves too quick, lots of posts while I was typing that... better get caught up, AGAIN!

Nice post. Thanks. I just wanted to add to jcucc's suspiciously list:

Unvote Cliges
Vote Madchemist

voteswitch at 21:59 while he was already voting madchemist: a fake snipe.
Either he was stupid and didn't realise he was already voting MC. Or he was trying to make people believe he did a snipe while in fact he wasn't.
I don't mind hanging people for being stupid. And if he wasn't stupid it's very suspicious. An even better reason for hanging.

 

[randakar]

The link is in his sig.

Mr. SojaKaiser has nothing on AOK. 11. Really.
That post? Weaksauce.

by defending someone he thinks Cymsdale is just being stupid about.

If what Panzer said in his confession was the truth you *were* being stupid about it.

 

[Hax]

Nobody has elected me village leader; I also haven't been acting like a village leader. I simply stated---as many people before me---that Arkasas by far is the most likely person to be lynch protected by the nihilist. Therefore it would be insanity to run him up again and potentially end up with no lynch!

I don't get it. Arnie feel just like he use a machine wrong. Maximal muscle mass you know. 9,82. Why nihiist save ark? If baddie he just survive another day and then we let him fall on the track. Nihist lose trait. If not baddie nihist waste trait. I use rationality on my minds.

Kamion la koka

 

[Kaetje]

Kaetje: A lot of unexplained vote switching near deadline. Likes Panzer, doesn't like Panzer, likes Panzer again, how about Comm Cody, ultimately lands on Arkasas. There should be a term for a vote switcher who alternates a lot and then ultimately lands on someone they never considered an option up until the end. So why ultimately land on Ark? Was it just to go for a tie? Why the schitzo voting on and off Panzer? This does not seem like villager behavior to me, it reeks of serving multiple agendas (get an alibi, spread some confusion AND try to save a packmate (or tie him)?) I'd be happy seeing Kaetju and Rovsea be run up I think.

I guess there's not many women playing werewolf?
We have a tendency to be fickle: "it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind".

 

[Wagonlitz]

Nice post. Thanks. I just wanted to add to jcucc's suspiciously list:

voteswitch at 21:59 while he was already voting madchemist: a fake snipe.
Either he was stupid and didn't realise he was already voting MC. Or he was trying to make people believe he did a snipe while in fact he wasn't.
I don't mind hanging people for being stupid. And if he wasn't stupid it's very suspicious. An even better reason for hanging.

Nicely remembered. I am not sure why a baddie would want to make people think there was sniping going on. Remember that nobody wanted the hunter trait anymore, so most people probably would just be glad that they became less likely to get it; it still is a strange snipe though. Has jcucc ever explained it?

 

[randakar]

Who has nominated Wagonlitz as the leader of the village?

Oh god. The memories. Von Loch Ness said something very similar to that to me, in one of my very first games .. he turned out to be a wolf.

I guess there's not many women playing werewolf?
We have a tendency to be fickle: "it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind".

Nope.
And even less of them have ADHD, I suspect

 

[Gen. Skobelev]

History, as we know and understand it, accounts for a tiny fraction of our existence as a species. And even in this small sample, finding contradictions in morality is not a difficult task. If we are to believe Chucky D. the evolution of our physical form, and more recently the evolution of society, would consequently drive the evolution of morality. Such a framework does not allow for your definition of the Moral Laws Of The Universe And Mankind, I'm afraid.

I'm sorry but I must disagree. The great point is the history of history. From there we can draw the essence of human nature, for lack of better word.

Seems like Narref is getting some resistance in voting. I like that. Will vote Narref. Firstly he is a zombie. Secondly I want to see if there is going to be a push to save him.

Vote Narref

Perhaps, though he has been leading candidate so far all the time.

Vote Rovsea

*sigh* I know unvoting is not necessary here but you are trying to make me fail at vote counts second day in a row, aren't you?

I agree with the CAWZ voting, but we shouldn't let that get in the way of lynching wolves. I suggest a TIE between narref and someone else. Taking my own advice, I will

vote snoopdogg

What's with the enthusiasm with tie here? Also, what's "your own advice"? You are saying snoopdogg is wolf... based on what?

This game is so huge, I'm feeling a lot of analysis paralysis with the sheer number of players. I think the biggest threat at the moment is the sorcerer, because I do not like the sound of that lynch protection one bit. Which means we can't afford to make it too obvious who we will focus on the next day. I don't recall who said it above, but it does make some sense that they might protect Ark even if he was a goodie, simply to disrupt the village. Unfortunately, we have very little to go on to root who HDK's master might be.

I agree there, that's why I was ok to go with tie last night if it looked like Arkasas would be on chopping block today anyway. Now it does not seem like that so hopefully sorcerer is there (assuming, of course, that we don't want to lynch Arkasas anyway).

I have some suspicions that Arkasas might be a baddie in a different pack than Panzer. I think it fits the strange defending behavior. A villager is not going to be sure about much of anything this early in the game, and is certainly not going to want to SEEM to be sure as well. Defending a packmate that obviously is also a bad move for a packmate. But.. a baddie from a different pack is not going to know Panzer's role, but might find it to be a good opportunity to score goodie points by defending someone he thinks Cymsdale is just being stupid about.

I'm not so sure about it. Quite a few players seem to consider their theories (or theories of others) as absolute truth, something that might not be helped in this game by philosopher ego.

Who has nominated Wagonlitz as the leader of the village? I was only glancing at the forum on the weekend, so I might have missed something of value.

He's active and posts some theories. What more is needed? Anyways, since Euro seems to be JL spokesman his word is giving us guidance.

guys i must believe in my goal. Without no goal no results. We must move forward. Both sides. Let's gym.

Unvote Falc
Vote Kaatje

I suspect my austrian friend is hiding something but i will move on for today. Let's see if the girl can lift.

Mind reminding me why you were voting Falc again earlier? He was tied at the lead for a moment and now has no votes.

If what Panzer said in his confession was the truth you *were* being stupid about it.

Who cares about method as long as the end result is good? :laugh:

 

[Wagonlitz]

Mr. SojaKaiser has nothing on AOK. 11. Really.
That post? Weaksauce.

Can you link to some especially horrifying examples?

If what Panzer said in his confession was the truth you *were* being stupid about it.

I don't think there remains much doubt that Cymsdale was stupid about it; his accusation was made before night 0 after all, so there really weren't much possibility for him to know Panzer was a baddie.

I don't get it. Arnie feel just like he use a machine wrong. Maximal muscle mass you know. 9,82. Why nihiist save ark? If baddie he just survive another day and then we let him fall on the track. Nihist lose trait. If not baddie nihist waste trait. I use rationality on my minds.

Kamion la koka

You are mistaken The nihilist cannot lose his powers; or do you have some inside knowledge? Furthermore it isn't wasting a night to lynch protect a goodie, if that goodie is likely to be lynched, since the village will then just try the next day thereby wasting two days.

 

[LatinKaiser]

Unvote snoopdogg
Vote kætje

I'd rather tie two wolf candidates and a zombie than one wolf candidate, one zombie, and one random dogg.

 

[Kaetje]

Unvote snoopdogg
Vote kætje

I'd rather tie two wolf candidates and a zombie than one wolf candidate, one zombie, and one random dogg.

Meow!!

 

[Wagonlitz]

*sigh* I know unvoting is not necessary here but you are trying to make me fail at vote counts second day in a row, aren't you?

I genuinely forgot to unvote after typing that long post. Since editing vote posts aren't allowed and since marty doesn't care, I didn't bother making a new vote post.

I agree there, that's why I was ok to go with tie last night if it looked like Arkasas would be on chopping block today anyway. Now it does not seem like that so hopefully sorcerer is there (assuming, of course, that we don't want to lynch Arkasas anyway).

I think the main reason Arkasas isn't on the chopping block again is the nihilist; nobody wants to risk running into the lynch protection and Arkasas is the most obvious target for lynch protection. Unless the nihilist predicted we would think that and therefore either lynch protected somebody else or scanned somebody; unless... But that line of thought extends into perpetuity, so lets not go there.

 

[Teep]

However much I may want to vote for snoopy doop again, voting for the same person two days in a row with minimal reason is kinda lazy and not great for the village so:

Vote Latinkaiser

Not sure why TIES (TM) are in such great fashion among the newbies these days. We may have vast numbers of players but we also have three packs and can't really afford to TIE (TM) unnecessarily. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

tl;dr: Calm down about the ties.

 

[Cymsdale]

You know, Panzer could have saved himself from my vote quite easily. When it was pointed out to me that his council knowledge came from another game I thought "that makes sense, I'll pull my vote off him if he uses that as his defense." But he didn't... he relied on others to make the defense for him. I regard it as a bit suspicious when an accused player won't make an active defense on their own behalf when they have a perfectly good defense to make. It reeks of wanting to avoid giving away information.