Werewolf CIII: Kleptocratic Overlords and the Worldwide Revolution

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Vote Ironhead. He's a pretty obvious wolf and must die.
 

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If we can get past the short-sightedness of voting Ironhead, I think we have a good candidate today while we wait for Kaetje to recover. His name is Syber:

unvote EUR007; vote OrangeYoshi

In hindsight your working together with ciryandor is quite suspicious. I still think Euro is baddie but you stand a better chance of being exposed.
Early on he pressed hard for EUROO7. He continues to cite suspicions on EUROO7, but he has never adequately explained why he suspects EUROO7 -- or me.

Damn, that was unlucky, him being the angel : (

VOTE Ironhead5

Ironhead5 and Euro are orchestrating the village vote quite skillfully...
As was rebutted immediately after he wrote this, neither me nor EUROO7 have had any success "orchestrating the village vote." If either of us had, perhaps we would still have our GA and original seer. But Syber never addressed the rebuttal and still has not provided reasons for his vendetta against EUROO7 or me.

So who's a frenchie around here??
Trespoe and Drxav?? I need naaaames!!
I don't get this; trespoe we now know was evil, but why did he include Drxav's name? Drxav is one of the most likely to be good, as far as I can tell from his behavior this game.

a placeholder vote in case my internet gets bitchy tomorrow

VOTE EUR007
A placeholder, he says. But again, it is on EUROO7, and he still hasn't explained why he wants EUROO7 dead.

As I've been saying all along, I mantain that Ironhead5 and EUR007 are incredibly suspicious.
Now that trespoe is a confirmed wolf I'm sure Ironhead5 is a marxist wolf, therefore:
Vote Ironhead5
And I have invited him to explain why trespoe=wolf must inevitably indicate that Ironhead5=marxist wolf. He was online when I first posted my rebuttal to his rhetoric; and a couple of hours later, I saw him online again. I know he has seen my response, but is avoiding addressing it.

So, for these blemishes on his record, I will

VOTE SYBER
 

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How does Syber's voting record look? He's the one subbing Lemeard, isn't he? So he probably wouldn't have voted on day 1 .. how about the other days?
Why was Lemeard subbed so early anyway? Did Lemeard say he was not going to be around for a while?
 

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I didn't. I just don't care what you think :)

If Ironhead is a wolf then him and Euro are the most obvious packmates in the history of werewolf ..
 

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Now why don't you guys like left-wing wolfs??

Anarchists aren't necessarily left wing. In fact, there are anarcho-capitalist kleptocrats...

If we can get past the short-sightedness of voting Ironhead, I think we have a good candidate today while we wait for Kaetje to recover. His name is Syber

Your rules don't say so. Now you see why they are short-sighted, like 99% of our law codes (although those are so just so people like us can keep robbing everyone)

If Ironhead is a wolf then him and Euro are the most obvious packmates in the history of werewolf ..

I would put it the other way around. If EURO is a wolf...
It ends up the same, but EURO is still a more likely wolf than I5 at the moment.

vote EUROO7
 
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I think this discussion is starting to become a bit one sided. There may be valid reasons to suspect both Euro and I5 but if they aren't packmates then it's bound to be the wolves arguing for their deaths, or at the very least hopping on the bandwagon towards it.

Vote Syber
 

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I didn't. I just don't care what you think :)

Forgive him. I hear Liverpool had an unfortunate accident in Europa League yesterday...
 

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Day one has no significance. Wolves won't need to pack up in day one since everybody random votes. Day 3 and 4 are the most interesting here. Why so? Day 2 was "ruined" by Tornadoli. Day 5 was "ruined" by the JL announcement. Day 6 was "ruined" by the JL announcement. So basing your analysis on day 1 is, in my view, an attempt at "drowning the fish"! You're trying to divert us from proper analysis.
What?! :rofl: So you're saying the day when Trespoe was in the lead until a minute from the deadline is not a useful day?
And how am I trying to 'divert' anything? I've said I will analyse the rest of the days, and I'm going to do just that, I just thought for some reason that I would start with Day 1, silly me :wacko:

Your actual vote isn't bad but you're not looking in great enough detail at the context of the votes, to get a true picture you need to go back and look through the thread. I can assure you there are greater suspects than me, never once did I actually vote anyone ahead of Trespoe IIRC, I just made the vote closer between several people by voting for he who had the least amount of votes.

P.S. Have you played this game before?



P.P.S I agree with syber as a candidate, him and EURO have argued against each other and it makes sense to run them off each other. I still strongly think we should avoid voting Ironhead 5, though.
 

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Day 2, The Great Bi-Weekly Tornadoli Massacre

Inevitably, not much can be learned from this day. Some notes:
Sbr and Cy, the two Marxists, campaigned eagerly for Tornadoli's lynching, I was thinking this could have been to ensure he was lynched in place of a packmate but it's hard to see who else was endangered at the time of their votes

Trespoe, however, voted OrangeYoshi, then changed with about 5 minutes to go to Tornadoli, which made sure that Rysz lived. He done this on EUROO7's orders. Again EUROO7 pops up in the story, but since he voted Rysz can we consider the two likely packmates? Since EURO voted Rysz twice, I think not, but Trespoe and Rysz do go reasonably well with each other. Trespoe defends his vote here. On second consideration the evidence isn't particularly strong against Rysz, but if he pops up again later I'll consider this.

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That was considerably and much less useful, however, as my good friend drxav pointed out, days 3 and 4 should be better.
 

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Day 3:

Today, Sbr follows EURO and votes for Adamus with this reasoning

Later, drxav gives the first vote for Trespoe, with some pretty convincing evidence. We can pretty much rule him out as a Black Wolf. Ironhead follows up soon after with further reasoing against Trespoe.
The Executer and OY (both died) turn it into a bandwagon.
the_hdk votes for Adamus for some incomprehensible reason. jacob_Lundgren then switches to Adamus, this brings him more or less level with Trespoe.
k-59 votes OrangeYoshi, making OY the third person to have more than one vote.
A votecount with 2 hours 30 mins left:

trespoe 4: drxav, Ironhead, Timothy Geithner, Executer
Adamus 4: Joseph Cassano, sbr, HDK, Adamus
Timothy Geithner (OY) 2: Najs, K-59
SPLIT 1: Adamus
HDK 1: White Daimon
One Joseph Cassano (EURO) 1: syber
sedracus 1: trespoe
marty 1: TheFreeman
Rysz 1: Slinky
Executer 1: reis
Slinky : Randy
Randakar : E_L
Ironhead 1: Jonti


After this Trespoe votes for OY instead of Adamus, which is just even more weird, I would say this seriously implicated Adamus but trespoe's behaviour this whole has been completely loopy. I don't know what to think.
THE_SPLIT shamelessly puts Adamus ahead of Trespoe with this (in hindsight) suspicious post.
Rysz then makes a complete throwaway vote for drxav, with some pretty poor reasoning. sedracus puts Trespoe back in the tie. Jopi puts Adamus ahead again, saying he's "leaning towards Adamus" for some reason.

1 hour 45 minutes left
Adamus 6: Joseph Cassano, sbr, HDK, Jacob_Lundgren, SPLIT, Jopi
trespoe 5: drxav, Ironhead, Timothy Geithner, Executer, Sedracus
Timothy Geithner (OY) 3: Najs, K-59, trespoe
Rysz 2: Slinky, Kae
SPLIT 1: Adamus
HDK 1: White Daimon
One Joseph Cassano (EURO) 1: syber
marty 1: TheFreeman
Executer 1: reis
Slinky 1: Randy
Randakar 1: E_L
Ironhead 1: Jonti
drxav 1: Rysz

marty99 votes for OY to 'keep it closer'. Immediately after reis and tskb shamelessly follow.

1 hour 20 minutes left:
Timothy Geithner (OY) 6: Najs, K-59, trespoe, Marty, Reis, Tskb
Adamus 6: Joseph Cassano, sbr, HDK, Jacob_Lundgren, SPLIT, Jopi
trespoe 5: drxav, Ironhead, Timothy Geithner, Executer, Sedracus
Rysz 2: Slinky, Kae
SPLIT 1: Adamus
HDK 1: White Daimon
One Joseph Cassano (EURO) 1: syber
marty 1: TheFreeman
Slinky 1: Randy
Randakar 1: E_L
Ironhead 1: Jonti
drxav 1: Rysz

k-59 crucially unvotes OY and votes Trespoe. jonti-h then switches to OY for a three-way tie.

40 minutes to deadline:
Timothy Geithner (OY) 6: Najs, trespoe, Marty, Reis, Tskb, Jonti
Adamus 6: Joseph Cassano, sbr, HDK, Jacob_Lundgren, SPLIT, Jopi
trespoe 5: drxav, Ironhead, Executer, Sedracus, K-59
marty 2: TheFreeman, Timothy Geithner
Rysz 2: Slinky, Kae
SPLIT 1: Adamus
HDK 1: White Daimon
One Joseph Cassano (EURO) 1: syber
Slinky 1: Randy
Randakar 1: E_L
drxav 1: Rysz

OY understandably switches to Adamus to save his own skin. Then Syber switches to OrangeYoshi re-creating the tie. Rather odd.

16 minutes left:
Timothy Geithner (OY) 7: Najs, trespoe, Marty, Reis, Tskb, Jonti, syber
Adamus 7: Joseph Cassano, sbr, HDK, Jacob_Lundgren, SPLIT, Jopi, Timothy Geithner
trespoe 5: drxav, Ironhead, Executer, Sedracus, K-59
Rysz 2: Slinky, Kae
marty 1: TheFreeman,
SPLIT 1: Adamus
HDK 1: White Daimon
Slinky 1: Randy
Randakar 1: E_L
drxav 1: Rysz

THE_SPLIT then switches (with 3 minutes left) to Trespoe to break the tie. I see this as making him an unlikely Black, as he didn't have to switch to tres, could've been anybody, but instead he puts Trespoe momentarily back in danger.
Trespoe doesn't see Split's post, switches to Adamus then realises his mistake and switches back to OY. I doubt this was a wolfish ploy to gain credibility for one of them, (as someone else could have then switched to Adamus to break the tie), I think this makes Adamus an unlikely Black.


Less likely Black wolves:
drxav
Ironhead 5
sedracus
k-59
THE_SPLIT
Adamus

Possible Black candidates, italicised names more suspicious:
reis91
jacob_Lundgren
jonti-h
Jopi
Rysz
marty99
the_hdk
 
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Day 4:
Ironhead 5 casts the first stone - on Adamus. He says "the quick accruel [sic] of votes on Trespoe does not seem indicative of evil".
Syber votes on Ironhead with a pretty suspicious post right here. EURO votes for Syber with a pretty good reason.
Sbr then tries to swing the discussion away from Trespoe and Adamus with this post. TheFreeman again votes marty99 for the second time in a row. randakar votes jonti and puts him in the mix. Jopi starts the vote on tskb18. Ironhead 5 then switches to jonti in lieu of randakar's post. WD continues the push on tskb providing further reasoning.
reis91 votes for Najs, an entirely new candidate, with little or no reasoning, says he supports the lynching of jonti but won't actually vote for him... odd as it wasn't even a bandwagon on jonti at the time:wacko:.
Slinky votes for tskb18, Walrus votes for Slinky citing his quietness. jonti-h again sulk votes for Ironhead. drxav brings up the Trespoe case again.

The votecount with 2 hours 5 minutes left:
Tskb 3: Jopi, White Daimon, Slinky
jonti 3: Adamus, Randy, Ironhead
Ironhead 2: syber, Jonti
trespoe 2: Executer, drxav
Reis 1: Tskb
syber 1: Joseph Cassano
TheFreeman 1: sbr
Marty 1: Freeman
Slinky 1: walrus
Rysz 1: Kae

marty99 votes tskb18, then there is some very odd interplay between THE_SPLIT and Najs from this post onward

1 hour, 15 minutes left:
Tskb 4: Jopi, White Daimon, Slinky, Marty,
jonti 3: Adamus, Randy, Ironhead,
trespoe 3: Executer, drxav, Najs
Ironhead 2: syber, Jonti
Reis 1: Tskb
syber 1: Joseph Cassano
TheFreeman 1: sbr
Marty 1: Freeman
Slinky 1: walrus
Rysz 1: Kae

Najs switches again, away from Trespoe. Trespoe then votes for drxav who wasn't even in the running. THE_SPLIT says "I would vote Trespoe if it became viable, but for the moment I'll go with jonti" at this stage jonti only had one more vote than Trespoe. jontih unvotes Ironhead then votes tskb for self-preservation, understandable.

40 minutes left:
Tskb 6: Jopi, White Daimon, Slinky, Marty, Najs, Jonti
jonti 4: Adamus, Randy, Ironhead, SPLIT
trespoe 2: Executer, drxav
Ironhead 1: syber
Reis 1: Tskb
syber 1: Joseph Cassano
TheFreeman 1: sbr
Marty 1: Freeman
Slinky 1: walrus
Rysz 1: Kae
drxav 1: trespoe

sedracus puts jonti within a vote. TheExecuter then starts a large switch to Trespoe. EUROO7, Walrus and jacob_Lundgren join it. Adamus pleads for the village not to lynch Trespoe. THE_SPLIT changes to Trespoe putting him within a vote of the lead, Adamus switches to tskb to head this off and kill the seer.


Final votecount at deadline:
Tskb 8: Jopi, White Daimon, Slinky, Marty, Najs, Jonti, trespoe, Adamus
trespoe 6: Executer, drxav, EURO, walrus, jacob, SPLIT
jonti 3: Randy, Ironhead, SPLIT, sedracus
Ironhead 1: syber
TheFreeman 1: sbr
Marty 1: Freeman
Rysz 1: Kae
velasco 1: Tskb


From that day's exchange EUROO7 does not look like a likely packmate of Trespoe, and Adamus who previously seemed safe looks very wolfish now, I will need to reconsider things, to say the least :wacko:.

Unlikely Trespoe packmates (based on today):
Walrus
EUROO7
jacob_Lundgren
THE_SPLIT
drxav (duh)

Possible packmates:
Adamus
jonti-h
Najs
 

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In short, I'm left with a headache. Most of the people who have tried to save Trespoe at a stage have voted him somewhere else. EUROO7 may not be the best candidate, but he's still not a bad lynch, but he's already got three votes. Syber is a good candidate but purely from the votes there is nothing incriminating from the first 4 days, I will introduce a new canditate into the mix along with Syber and EURO and...


Unvote EUROO7 Vote jonti-h

I'm now completely wrecked, I'm going offline to recuperate.
 

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If Ironhead is a wolf then him and Euro are the most obvious packmates in the history of werewolf ..

Not impossible.
@Reis: STFU :mad:

@Marty. I'm not a new candidate, everyone and their mother (who is very good in bed btw) has voted on me. I appreciate you are probably drunk, but try and think before voting.
 
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Yes, being a black wolf could certainly explain how it came to be that I have not been run up yet, I was thinking to myself that people finally turned their brains on, but no, it's just fear of me being a wolf.

And don't be so quick to dismiss I5. Votes aren't everything, remember that :). His "I am not controlling the village's vote"... seriously. This is why I advocate lynching EURO too. Cheap reverse psychology must not be allowed to triumph.

Right now, I'm devising an Euro - Trespoe (wolves) + I5 (cultist) pack. Right now, I must go offline, but when I'm back, I'll look up a few posts to better illustrate what I'm saying. Also, no point in editing the posts, I have them saved.

Also, since I got emu'ed by marty's day4, wolves would look to secure early votes on their own packmates if they sense they are in danger, as to gain credibility.

Oh, and do not exclude the possibility of a 3 pack setup.
 
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A rather good analysis from Marty99, and a rather poor argument from Jonti-h. He was on my suspect list anyways.

Jonti-h has placed a holder vote on Ironhead5 then vote-sniped the villager that got killed: OY, Tskb18 on turn 3 and 4. As per usual he did the same on turn 5.

There's definitely something there.

I'm not taking you off my suspet list, I hope you understand.

UNVOTE MARTY99

VOTE JONTI-H
 

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Vote jacob-Lundgren

based on marty's analysis and because jonti has enough votes at the minute.