- Oct 21, 2008
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Ironhead, you would be right with your arguments for any wolf, except AOK, and you know him even better than I do. Do you really think that AOK would be so obvious as trying to openly get you lynched after you outed 3 wolves? This is AOK. He knows the power of pack analysis, and he knows best how to avoid it. I just don't think that what you describe is something AOK would do as a baddie, because of his own analysing skills.
White Daimon said:I have some idea yes. But this game is very weird and the rules that govern it keeps chaingin. A spy apprentice? WTF?AOK. 11 said:WD,
I do not know whether you are wolf or not, but I am going to take the chance because I think you innocent as of now.
You got any idea what is going on? I thought there was one JL apparatus revolving around I5 but it does not seem to me to be the case. He did not know Kae. He knew I was going after her and said nothing. He apparently did not know Reis either. Reis claimed JL and claimed to have known the priest, he was lying, or has been fooled by someone. Something has gone horrible wrong somewhere.
So, basically, is this just a massive clusterfuck? Should I just give up? Is there anything we can do? It seems the goodies are fucked and I am about to just pack it in.
If you are a wolf just ignore this. Or hunt me/railroad me with your boys.
Currently I'm thinking about the game mainly as who I'm pretty sure is good. Because its more reliable analysis, and something being reliable is really precious in this game. Besides with this many baddies in the village, eliminating a few people means you have a better than even chance of hitting a baddie randomly in the remaining group.
White Daimon - I'm good, I know this. I don't have any fancy argument as to why and I'm not gonna write one here. Trust it or don't.
Ironhead5 - Is good. I have absolutely no idea what role or traits he has, but he has been responsible for a lot of baddie deaths very early. Even if he was a super infiltrator then he wouldn't have done that. Plus if he was evil, then the situation wouldn't have looked bad enough for Randakar to merge the packs.
Paendrag - Was used as a JL spokesperson, so likely seer-scanned. Also witnessed and outed a wolf which also suggest he was good. But Ironhead wrote something about the the_hdk also being pinged by the seer that night. So the witnessing wasn't coordinated with JL, so perhaps he used it to eliminate baddie opposition? Its possible, but I don't think so. If Paen is seer scanned then he is not a wolf, so getting a wolf would directly dimish his chances of winning.
Eternaly_lost - That Ironhead "outing" of EL as seer, followed by EL admitting to being a seducer looked very real and I thnk he is good. Don't have anything beyond those few post though. I have a weird suspicion that he actually is the seer, EL very quickly admitted having an unhuntable role after Ironhead "outed" him. Might be a ploy, Ironhead is certianly bright enough for that. Doesn't matter though, I think him good but I actually don't have a lot to back it up with.
Adamus - He outed J. Pass, while Ironhead disagreed with it. So it wasn't JL ordered, at least I don't think so. So there was no pressing reason for him to out J. Pass, and if Adamus is ev0l then outing J.pass would be bad since J. pass is the sorc.
AOK - No voting evidence. But the seer is still alive and the priest survived for a very long time. You are good at pinging people trying to hide stuff, and I don't think this would have happened if you were ev0l.
Thats 6 people I think are good out of 18 people. Not very impressive for what 8 days of voting. But its still 1/3. Of the remaining 12 people, 7 are evil. So I think the village might have a chance. But I admit I'm a bit demoralised as well. WW is supposed to be a game about analysis, but I can't analyse anything when the basics keep changing. Its like trying to draw a painting, but not being allowed to see what colors you are using until you are done. We have tons of suspicious silent people. Lord_D has 14 post total! And he is not the only one being very quiet theres walrus, Slinky, THE_SPLIT & J-L. I have pretty much no feel for where they are. The_split, why did he hunt the button? I still don't understand it.
Trespoe had that weird incident where Marty posted 2 spy reports that greatly suggested he was the Sorceror. It might have been fabricated or erronious information, but I got the feeling that Trespoe overreacted afterwards and tried very hard to look good?
Looking back, this really doesn't look very organised. Sorry for the scrambled ramblings. But it just annoys me that I have so little idea of what the fuck is going on in this village. And so little possibility for going back and getting more information. We had 3 packs, so the voting analysis is spread and a good chunck of the "missing" baddies are likely cultist who may not even have known that one of their packmates where being lynched.
Ironhead 5 said:No worries on the Kae thing -- she got her scan list to us before she died, that will be good enough. Plus we got a baddie to kill today (and this ought to resolve the Adamus/J. Pass thing).
As for reis91... what a rookie. I think that he really did think he was in contact with a priest -- because he thought Adamus was the priest. And for all I know, there were two priests in the game and Adamus really is a priest. Who knows?
Losing johho888 hurts us, and I am curious as to why they didn't hunt me. I am pretty useless to the village now, except as spokesman, and so I was hoping to attract a hunt -- no dice there I guess. Still, the seer lives, and we have a veritable shitload of voting behavior to analyze.
All I know is in the middle of post #1624.
Except for two things -- I am 100% certain AOK is evil, because (a) he tried to get me lynched to save jonti-h, after I had given him the names of Kriszo, Ciryandor, and marty99 to out; and (b) he got Kaetje lynched after I gave him a couple clues not to do so -- first I told him not to seduce her anymore, then I told him that she her nightly actions were helping the good guys.
After I went to work for the day, he sent me a PM saying he politely disagreed and he was going to get her lynched.
So you guys can lynch AOK today, and it will buy you another day. I know I said we would lynch him last, but I expect to be subbed out by the time he is lynched; unless randakar does something to make this game competitive.
I am shocked -- shocked! -- that neither you nor sbr feel inclined to vote the other, even though you are the two most obvious baddies. Suppose we actually were wrong about one of you being bad; doesn't it seem likely that the other would know he is good, and thus vote the clear baddie? Suppose -- hypothetically, of course -- that you are both good. Neither knows that the other is good though, and you are both appearing evil; thus you both would vote the other, not only to save yourself but to lynch the obvious baddie.I am shocked that some of the most suspicious people in the game are using I5 as a useful idiot to kill me.
Now why would I take offense at that? "With all due respect, you are much worse than Hitler." But, but, I said 'with all due respect'!No offense iron but you are either a yellow-belly coward
I am shocked -- shocked! -- that neither you nor sbr feel inclined to vote the other, even though you are the two most obvious baddies. Suppose we actually were wrong about one of you being bad; doesn't it seem likely that the other would know he is good, and thus vote the clear baddie? Suppose -- hypothetically, of course -- that you are both good. Neither knows that the other is good though, and you are both appearing evil; thus you both would vote the other, not only to save yourself but to lynch the obvious baddie.
The fact that neither of you are doing so confirms that you are packmates. The village, meanwhile collects pretty solid evidence as we watch you squirm. Who will actually prevaricate on lynching you? We already knew Rysz was a baddie -- no surprise there -- but Paendrag does come as a surprise (it makes sense now -- of course he would "witness" the_hdk, on the same day we ping him. We knew we had leaks in the JL; we just never connected the dots to see that Paendrag was just making a false outing of a guy who was going to be outed anyway.