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I just said I disagree with one of his arguments. I do not know whether Tornadoli is a villager, and even if he is if I thought we should lynch people for accusing villagers I'd lynch Tornadoli for his aggressive pursuing of Wagon yesterday.
Better try the ones casuarry joining the Wagon, rike a Ratinkaiser, and YOU.
 

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@johho888 how bad are we on subs? I'm not really present in this game, at all, as pointed out by several people, so I think it would be best if I were subbed out.
No subs available at this time. If you stop voting you will be autolynched in a few days but maybe a sub will become available by then.

EDIT: I don't really feel like subbing in a zombie at this point. But that would be one way out of it, I guess.
 

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@GM I vote Audren, not AOK.

EDIT: lol they are one and the same i see, carry on
 

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Interesting that you should avoid a clear question. Tell me, Jack, do you often think of death?

Vote Audren with me, for cause.
Sorry bby but Torn must die for great justice.
 

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Panzer, Jack, MC, and Gen Marsha refuse to vote Audren, despite a clear cause to do so. Keep in mind when I'm hunted.
 

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I only quote this post because after this Torn has become very silent, backing down from arguments (and from personal experience, he never does this), and instead is trying to divert attention to voting for ghost players. While I'm not opposed to this on principal, Torn's complete 180 turn in behavior after Wagon flipping villager is setting of my wolf radar. I think he is a very good lynch today, only more reinforced with the fact that he isn't responding to any questions or votes on him.

There have been similar accusations made by others against me (e.g. by Audren or Hax), but I can't be bothered to quote those posts as well.

Anyway...:

1) I was very silent because I was busy. Now I am not. You will have my (almost) undivided attention until deadline.

2) I've seen this "backing down from arguments" used to cast suspicions on me this game. Firstly, I never backed down from the fact that Wagon being more quiet was suspicious; all I did was find a better case of him doing that weird voteswitch from ese to hazbot 2 or 3 mins before deadline.
Also, if we are going to use "he changed his mind" as an argument, then why do we even play? Why do we post cases and argue with each other, if no one will dare change his mind because that will immediately paint a massive target on them?

3) You misrepresented facts. You represented it as if after that post, I went quiet and tried to divert attention to voting for ghost players. That is not what happened. What happened is me constantly pushing for Wagon's lynch, never even mentioning that we should vote ghost players. I only did that TODAY, after Wagon turned out to be a ghost. It was an idea I had that I quickly posted, and I don't think it's a bad idea at all.

4) What questions have been posed to me? I shall answer them promptly.
 

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I'm going to suggest something unusual. I reckon we should lynch one of the zombies. Why? To get to know how they work - apparently, their rule set gets revealed if they die. This can help us figure out how they work, and perhaps help us reason about the game as a whole.

Vote jonas-lovgren
So, you basically arguing you and others should make throw away votes just to find out how zombies work? Don't waste your vote. I'm a Zombie hunter and I'll get rid of fake JL tonight.

Vote Torn

At least until he makes a meaningful vote.
 

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Also, if we are going to use "he changed his mind" as an argument, then why do we even play? Why do we post cases and argue with each other, if no one will dare change his mind because that will immediately paint a massive target on them?

It's not a generally applied thing, it's character analysis. Usually you don't back down, now you (allegedly) do.
 

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Are there literally dozens of better choices? I'd certainly be interested to know whom you find suspect.
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What have you been doing that you'd define as "crazy"?

When talking CAWZ, which is what that original post was fundamentally about, Kaisersohaib, alxeu, enkhuush, Steed, Citizen, or either of the people who got subbed out for missing votes all spring to mind. As for people I suspect now, K-59 and Sleepy both give me slight baddie vibes, as well as you obviously, hence the vote.

As for what I've done that's crazy, other than trying to guess Wagon's exact role on a gut feeling, not much. You, however, seemed to think it hypocritical that I bag on you for not having strong cases when I used my gut. That was my refutation to that point.

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Hasn't he just subbed in? What's the case against him?
He is a known associate of Madchemist, Jack, Panzer Comms, and Gen Marsha. He has aided and abetted bad cases against one Mr Torn A. Doli. He has repeatedly and without remose tortured innocents. Most importantly, he refuses to change his vote when pressured to do so. In fact, he has not reacted to the baseless accusations I've made against him which means he has no idea how to respond because he doesn't know how a goodie would respond. In cases like these, it's best for a baddie to just lie low, which is precisely what he chooses to do.

Vote Audren, and do it now.
 

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I just said I disagree with one of his arguments. I do not know whether Tornadoli is a villager, and even if he is if I thought we should lynch people for accusing villagers I'd lynch Tornadoli for his aggressive pursuing of Wagon yesterday.

You voted for Wagon as well yesterday. Everyone is responsible for their own votes; don't blame that on me. You could have chosen to vote anyone else, and yet you voted Wagon, and now try to use that against me?

Yeah, sure, I made a mistake with Wagon yesterday. But many people agreed that he acted dodgy. His voteswitch at deadline looked like classic baddie play, and I stand by that.

But hey, let's lynch every active player who makes a case that turns out wrong. Don't forget to complain about dying activity in the werewolf general planning thread after that.