Werewolf CCXIV: The Protestant Reformation

[Tornadoli]

And for the record, I have no opinion of LatinKaiser. I don't remember him doing anything, noteworthy or not.

What do you think of esemesas?

 

[Hax]

So you jump onto a bandwagon without adding anything of substance yourself.

I do think aedan's case has some merit, but please, everyone, when voting, try to add something yourself. All 3 votes on me are completely case-less, all votes on Health (except aedan's first one) are all competely case-less (except something like "his case looks good"). More effort, this sort of thing makes it way too easy for the wolves to just blend in.

Herr Tornadoli, are you questioning me?

 

[Wagonlitz]

Where? I am rather busy these days and probably missed it. To be fair, I mosty skip/skim your posts as 99% of what you post is useless.

If you skip then it's not my fault if you end up being suspicious for not answering questions. (And this game I've mainly contained the OT to the bar.)

You are aware of it now so I'd like an answer.

I don't see your logic at all. Now had it been brutal you might have had a point; though still shaky. But vengeful is, a tiny bit, more useful for a goodie than brutal. And anyway there can well be multiple goodie vengefuls/brutals.

And what do you think about say LK?


Can we get a count @Jacksonian Missionary?

 

[Tornadoli]

Herr Tornadoli, are you questioning me?

?

 

[Wagonlitz]

What do you think of esemesas?

I have a slight goodie read on him. Though he hasn't really stood out.

And you don't think LK's suspicious for how he's made solely easy votes and just posted once a day since day 1?

 

[Hax]

If you skip then it's not my fault if you end up being suspicious for not answering questions. (And this game I've mainly contained the OT to the bar.)

Please continue with that even in future games.

 

[LatinKaiser]

Wagon, you have yet to explain your fishy behaviour as regards Marshall and Cliges. Surely, if you were a goodie you wouldn't be getting so defensive and start tunneling like you are now.

 

[Hax]

?

*takes out the whip*

Are you threatening me?

 

[Wagonlitz]

Wagon, you have yet to explain your fishy behaviour as regards Marshall and Cliges. Surely, if you were a goodie you wouldn't be getting so defensive and start tunneling like you are now.

What fishy behavior? Could you please rehash what you're talking about.

And you are aware I was the one putting Cliges in front?

 

[Jacksonian Missionary]

Vote Count About 1 Hour til Deadline:

Health: 4
Aedan777 [565]
Yakman* [570]
Hax [572]
Jeray [574]

Tonradoli: 3
JCan [547]
Necromancer [549]
Dorei [556]

Wagonlitz: 2
*EURO [532]
LatinKaiser [538]

LatinKaiser: 2
Wagon [527]
Esemesas [546]

Jeray: 1
Tornadoli [554]


Not Voted:
@Health
@ramius3443
@Claude LC*

If Claude misses this vote he will be subbed out.

 

[Tornadoli]

I have a slight goodie read on him. Though he hasn't really stood out.

And you don't think LK's suspicious for how he's made solely easy votes and just posted once a day since day 1?

That would explain why I haven't noticed him.

Interesting why you are latching onto LK here, and not for instance Yakman. LK at least posts something in his posts, while Yakman just votes. Isn't that more suspicious? Or is it in your interest to divert attention to LK and not Yakman?

 

[LatinKaiser]

What fishy behavior? Could you please rehash what you're talking about.

And you are aware I was the one putting Cliges in front?

You cast doubt on the case against Marshall (i.e. the botched outing) without actually switching your vote or agitating for others to do so, and you've been very keen to avoid any kind of serious discussion of suspicious players. Finally, you only voted Cliges to save yourself -- you could still be in his pack, in another pack, or be a UAB.

 

[Health]

I do find it suspicious.
Also what do you think about LK?

What about LK, I don't really recall him doing anything. Well, besides finding you suspicious.

 

[Tornadoli]

Ok, I have gone over yesterday's events, and I am now convinced that Wagon is indeed a baddie.

These posts:

Good question.

Good point.

were both in response to people trying to make me and JCan look suspicious for our PM conversation. You can press on the links to see the exact posts Wagon was agreeing with, but they were basically saying stuff like "it's a bit suspicious they said both their things at similar times".

These posts are suspicious because they are very short statement of agreements, which try to subtly steer the conversation into that direction without looking too obvious (i.e. without being able to be blamed for the death of potential innocents later on). The more people talk about cases, the more prominent they become, so Wagon was trying to steer the conversation towards me and JCan. He hasn't said a word about Cliges, none at all, even though he was up there with votes.

And now, he claims to have pushed Cliges ahead. The lazy werewolf player will not bother to check the context, and follow Wagon right now in believing that he is a goodie. And yet, and yet, the truth is this:

Unvote Cliges
Vote Wag

Unvote Ram
Vote Cliges

This is what happened. Wagon was constantly voting Ramius, not Cliges. He hasn't spoken against Cliges at all. Only when EURO switched to Wagon, did Wagon vote Cliges for self-defence. And now he is trying to make it look as if he was the one responsible for Cliges' death.

Unvote jeray
Vote Wagon


Also, just as an aside: Isn't it interesting how no one is even considering jeray at this point? Why is no one discussing him?

Yakman is also an excellent candidate by the way.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Interesting why you are latching onto LK here, and not for instance Yakman. LK at least posts something in his posts, while Yakman just votes. Isn't that more suspicious? Or is it in your interest to divert attention to LK and not Yakman?

Yakman's always like that. LK's normally a bit more active. Plus LK's been acting realy wolfish in his votes and single posts; Yakman might be too, but I don't have much time before deadline so won't be able to investigate it today.

You cast doubt on the case against Marshall (i.e. the botched outing) without actually switching your vote or agitating for others to do so, and you've been very keen to avoid any kind of serious discussion of suspicious players. Finally, you only voted Cliges to save yourself -- you could still be in his pack, in another pack, or be a UAB.

How is that fishy behavior with regard to Cliges? And I had doubts against Marshall, but IIRC I raised those early in the day when I hadn't voted him.

What about LK, I don't really recall him doing anything. Well, besides finding you suspicious.

I made a case against him, so there is something you could comment on.

 

[Wagonlitz]

This is what happened. Wagon was constantly voting Ramius, not Cliges. He hasn't spoken against Cliges at all. Only when EURO switched to Wagon, did Wagon vote Cliges for self-defence. And now he is trying to make it look as if he was the one responsible for Cliges' death.

And how's that not putting Cliges ahead? EURO made a TIE and I then broke it and put Cliges ahead. But it's true it also was self preservation.

Yakman is also an excellent candidate by the way.

Why not LK? I notice you're reluctant to run up LK.

 

[Health]

I made a case against him, so there is something you could comment on.

Him vanishing after throwing a vote out on you and just continuing down that line? I mean, I could reasonably see that. It seems about as good as any of the other cases at this point.

VOTE LK

 

[Wagonlitz]

Him vanishing after throwing a vote out on you and just continuing down that line?

Combined with him repeatedly making easy cases and then just disappearing, yes.

 

[Wagonlitz]

Him vanishing after throwing a vote out on you and just continuing down that line?

Combined with him repeatedly making easy cases and then just disappearing, yes.

 

[Tornadoli]

And how's that not putting Cliges ahead? EURO made a TIE and I then broke it and put Cliges ahead. But it's true it also was self preservation.

No, it was only self-preservation. Presenting it as anything else is just straight-up misinformation. Which makes me suspicious of you.